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Seannm

All,

As my comments in response to Mindy's allegations on a thread have since been deleted and moderators have closed the other thread, I will respectfully do as they have asked and move my responses to this thread.

I don't care for this drama that is and has been going on in this forum, that is why I had departed, deleted all of my previous posts and moved to alternate places. I was then stalked by Mindy in that private members thread by her, and or her minions (I assume that when she said people were sending screen shots of our discussion, that is wasn't her directly). I recently came back over in defense of those who have been silenced for stressing their opinions of said individual, and I was then targeted and attacked by Mindy, presumably in hopes that she could get me banned as well.

In every story or tale there are three versions, hers, his and somewhere in the middle is the truth. So here is my side.

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On Monday the 19th I started a thread and said the following:

Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:47 am
All,

I noticed a post over on CC this morning, another person calling out Mindy this weekend. "Skipper" pulled up some old misleading information about a email she has supposedly received from Fenn and accusing her of being Sally, Nope and Bonnie. Interesting, wonder how long it will be before Skipper gets banned too.

Seannm
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There was some back and forth between members about the drama between Skipper and Mindy, and in that discussion it was mentioned by a member that she (Mindy) has previously stolen others ideas, to which I responded:

Re: Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:20 am

Yea I had that happen to me at CC with Mindy actually twice. Once she had posted a thread about the blaze being a in the past tense and and regurgitating what I had previously said just days prior on HOD, when I called her out on it she got all defensive, it was a long drawn out back and forth. Second time when she posted her long drawn out "alone" post then claimed the first stanza was about referring back to the book and again when I called her out for claiming it as her own after I had just said the same thing the whole Sally McIntosh "surprise" WW showed up on MW within hours creating even more of a debate. I PM'd that Skipper guy and mentioned this site.

Seannm
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Shortly after that I received and private email from Mindy asking my why I was claiming she had stolen my ideas (I won't post those emails as I have stated to her I would not), but I did respond on the other forum:

Re: Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:42 am
All,

Looks like I have a stalker now, Mindy is emailing me asking me about this thread and why I claim she stole my theories.

Seannm

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Mindy then told me in another email, that someone was sending her screen shots of our members only threads. To which I responded on the forum:

Re: Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:00 pm
All,

Apparently someone is sending Mindy screenshots of the thread according to her.

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Then I received another email from Mindy that insinuated a threat to release a private email between her and I, the same email that she has now released here on CC about my apology and attempt to work with her behind the scenes, which was genuine. Therefore I responded with the following on the forum:

Re: Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:47 pm

All,

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. I used to communicate and bounce ideas off of Wolf, but once I found out Mindy and Wolf were sharing Ideas, I immediately stop communicating with Wolf because of my mistrust of her not Wolf. Mindy has now successfully pacified him to be her lap dog and to come running to her rescue every time she gets in a bind. Wolf, please confirm my ideas,wolf please come rescue me I'm in trouble! Notice how quickly he shows up when Skipper was calling her out, Wolf wake up buddy while we still have some respect left for you! Mindy is playing a game of deception, and while she points in one direction she runs off in the other while everyone is distracted. I have communicated with her several times in the back ground even as recent as yesterday, I had even apologized to her once awhile back for taking things a bit too far, but I'm too tired of her ever present drama now. Skipper has brought up some issues that clearly indicate that she has not been so forthright and honest with everyone on the forums, it shows a pattern with her behavior that is indicative of a narcissist as he has pointed out. I mean clearly you cannot even allow someone to say something about you on a members only forum thread that you aren't even a part of without getting your feathers all ruffled! So, Mindy, as I know you will see this, stop emailing me immediately, and go ahead out me if you will, as I will not allow you to think you hold anything over me or try and blackmail me as you have eluded to in your emails, enough is enough!

Get a life and get your own clue!

Remember it's not who you think you are, its who they think you are.

**Mindy whatever you email me from this point on will become public**

Seannm

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I had told Mindy that "futher" emails would become public, so she again emailed me after I asked her to cease, so here was my response:


Re: Call out on CC

Postby seannm » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:39 am
All,

Mindy's email:

My comments in parenthesis
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630am:

Sean,

Just so you know, I have been saying the book is important since I first started the chase over 3 years ago. Long before July. I reiterate--I did not see your posts prior to posting mine, and I have NEVER stolen anyone's ideas or theories. (Again I must clarify I never claimed you stole anything, YOU claimed that I said you stole and that was never the case, whats wrong Mindy were you feeling a bit guilty?)

If you go back into the archives on hod, you will see I've mentioned my book theory a long long time ago. You posted nothing new.

And yes, I subscribe on dals and get the comments in my email. I scan through them quickly and only read people I think are on the right track. I'm sorry, but at the time, I didn't think you were one of them, so I never read your posts there. And I simply don't have time to read through every single one of the hundreds that are posted there every day.

By the way, mdavis is wrong about everything he says about me. His jealousy is getting almost laughable, if it wasn't so sad. (Fact is you hate it when people call you out on your BS, you then go running for help and cover, you cannot fight your own fight)

Anyway, go back through my hotspot. Check March 9th, for example.
It's called "Where's the Where?" What's it calling attention to....THE BOOK. AND IT ALSO REFERENCES FORRESTS MIND. Then check out April 4th, 2016, where I say in bold letters, " So, if Forrest said that his memoir was enough to lead an average person to the treasure...could the memoir itself be a map, with the poem holding the directions on how to read it?" (wow Mindy this sounds like Jamie Jones / Seekers February theory on HOD, not yours)

Then read Sept 22, 2015 and Sept 7th, 2015. That's just what I posted on the hotspot WAY before posed your theory, and not even counting what I posted on Dals in 2012 and 2013.

I believe those are well before July, don't you think? Could YOU have stolen MY theory? Hmmmm...makes me wonder. Maybe you should amend your recent posts now that you have the facts.

Thanks.


I did not email her back, but this is my response:

Mindy,

I have gone and looked at those and while there are slight similarities, they are not nearly word for word as to what I had just previously mentioned on HOD, CC and ID.

You have displayed a pattern of abuses that show you cannot be trusted. Again, stop emailing me as I do not care to listen to your pathetic justifications any longer!

Seannm

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I know most, if not all, despise this kind of drama and I am with you on that, and that is why I departed CC and moved on, but was drawn back in when I saw another seeing the same propensity to mislead and misdirect by Mindy and when the Moderators seem to IMO unjustly punish the messenger I felt compelled to chime in, and then I was open to Mindy's attacks.

I don't condone Skippers way of bringing out the message, but it's the message that matters. It's sort of like the whole blaming the Russians for hacking the DNC, what is worse the messenger or the message?

My whole point in my rebuttal is to make it transparent to you all Mindy's actions in stalking me and others whom either have voluntarily or involuntarily departed CC and started their own forum, with private members only threads. Now while I do not speak for those on said forum, some of us whom have left have either been threatened with lawsuits and or bullied and blackmailed by her actions and words, this is just deplorable. I will leave it to those who care to do their research to seek their own opinions, but for now I will depart CC again.

To the Moderators and Steph, you have a tough job that pays you no dividends and for that you have my respect. Please in the future step back and look at the bigger picture and message, not just the messenger.

Seannm
First of all, Sean, I wasn't "stalking" you.
There are a few people who send me screenshots.

I was frankly surprised to see you again post that I had stolen your ideas, when I have maintained from when I first started the chase that the book was important. Everything Sean posted was just versions of things I had already posted many times in the past. I thought because you had apologized for YOUR underhanded dealings that we were past it.

And so all of you know, I did NOT agree to participate in Sean's schemes. This is my email I sent to him in reply of his "apology:"

"Yeah, it was sorta mean to do. There are just a few people out there who know nothing about me, and constantly misrepresent me and constantly misquote me, and even outright lie about me because they think I have some unfair advantage.

By saying those things, you fueled their fire, and just when I thought I could silence them for good, you said those things.

I always strive to be fair and honest and to do this chase right and totally on the up and up, yet Bet continually does whatever she/he can to smear me.

I'm not going to "out" you, but I'm not sure I want to mess with Bet and whoever Moo is, either, because I don't want to stoop to their nastiness, and I promised myself I would be better than the haters.

All's good between me and you. Thank you for the apology, and I appreciate it and accept it.

Good luck,
Mindy

Sent from my iPhone"

I have NEVER stolen anyone's ideas, contrary to what mdavis or any other anonymous person says. Everyone is more than free to check my topics and find out for yourselves if I have stolen any ideas. I'm POSITIVE you will find I have not.

This is getting to be more than ridiculous--all stemming from me besting mdavis in a debate. The posts on the other blog that I actually see--I don't go there and rely only on screenshots people insist on sending me.

I can absolutely prove there is a concentrated effort by some people to destroy me and CC. If anyone would like the screenshots that prove this, PM me.

I will finish this rebuttal when I get home from work....

Seannm

All,

My response to Mindy after she told me "some people" send her screen shots:
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Mindy,

I cannot control who sends you information and from where, if you wish that to stop then I would address whomever that is and not me. You and I have had our differences and I believed we were beyond that. My brining that up with mdavis was between us on a members only thread on a blog of those who have departed CC because of the drama with you. I would recommend you just ignore that information and move on.

Sean
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But you couldn't move on you had to continuously protect your ego from afar, your so vain that you even thought this comment was about you:

(Yesterday, 05:37 PM)Seannm Wrote:
All,

Heed the ever tyrannical emasculator and advocate to the irascible. Belshazzar's feast has commenced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svtLfoGH19c

Seannm

That comment was directed at Beavertooth, but you, the ever present narcissist thought it was about you and responded with:

Sean, I am so very close to exposing the truth of you. Only it isn't quite time yet. Tic tok, tic tok

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Get a life woman, not everything is about you. I again recommend you keep your comments and theories on your OWN TWO SITES. and leave these poor people alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UAYGxiRwU

Seannm
(01-04-2017, 02:35 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, Sean, I wasn't "stalking" you.
There are a few people who send me screenshots.

I was frankly surprised to see you again post that I had stolen your ideas, when I have maintained from when I first started the chase that the book was important. Everything Sean posted was just versions of things I had already posted many times in the past. I thought because you had apologized for YOUR underhanded dealings that we were past it.

And so all of you know, I did NOT agree to participate in Sean's schemes. This is my email I sent to him in reply of his "apology:"

"Yeah, it was sorta mean to do. There are just a few people out there who know nothing about me, and constantly misrepresent me and constantly misquote me, and even outright lie about me because they think I have some unfair advantage.

By saying those things, you fueled their fire, and just when I thought I could silence them for good, you said those things.

I always strive to be fair and honest and to do this chase right and totally on the up and up, yet Bet continually does whatever she/he can to smear me.

I'm not going to "out" you, but I'm not sure I want to mess with Bet and whoever Moo is, either, because I don't want to stoop to their nastiness, and I promised myself I would be better than the haters.

All's good between me and you. Thank you for the apology, and I appreciate it and accept it.

Good luck,
Mindy

Sent from my iPhone"

I have NEVER stolen anyone's ideas, contrary to what mdavis or any other anonymous person says. Everyone is more than free to check my topics and find out for yourselves if I have stolen any ideas. I'm POSITIVE you will find I have not.

This is getting to be more than ridiculous--all stemming from me besting mdavis in a debate. The posts on the other blog that I actually see--I don't go there and rely only on screenshots people insist on sending me.

I can absolutely prove there is a concentrated effort by some people to destroy me and CC. If anyone would like the screenshots that prove this, PM me.

I will finish this rebuttal when I get home from work....


I would also like to add that I'm only "outing" Sean because people should know who the schemers are. This is his email to me after I responded to his apology email:

"Mindy,

Between you and I, I am keeping up appearances behind the scenes, I believe Bet may now believe (because of recent PMs) that you were referring to someone other than myself.

Sean."

So, yes, I'm posting this because there IS scheming behind the scenes, and I don't want anyone else to go through what I'm going through.

Bet, I know you're reading this and probably in shock that Sean isn't the good guy he pretends to be. I'm sorry you were played like that, but you've got to realize that in the end, the truth comes out, and it may cause you to have some bitter feelings to realize I was telling the truth the whole time.

And really, everyone, go back and see where all this stuff originated. For those of you who care to know the truth, PM me, because I have a timeline of screenshots.

Yes, right or wrong, I posted a couple of emails from F to me. For the record, I have NEVER had an inappropriate relationship with FF. I believed I was doing the right thing at the time, as searchers I cared for seemed to be being played in a not very appropriate way. My friends are important to me, and I'm loyal to them. This is when some people started to vilify me, because I had spoken against a "great man and war hero" and a "decorated veteran of the armed forces," and that I had "ruined the chase" for them. My ex is also a decorated war veteran and most of you know what he did...and the only person who can ruin the chase for you is you.

Anyway, F is a grown up and so am I, and we have moved past that. Since we have, maybe everyone else should, too.

I have already proven that recent libelous statements said about me were COMPLETELY FALSE. Harry Fool even acknowledged them to be false and removed them from his site. That gives me a track record of me telling the truth while others lie.

And yes, I am one out of about a thousand people who claim to have a solid solve. That seems to be when the most recent hate was poured out. What was it about my claim that was any more annoying than anyone else's? What was it about my claim that people responded so violently and vehemently?

Is it because there was some panic that if I found the chest, people will think I manipulated F to get hints? Come on, you all know F is not easily manipulated!

And really, if I did do anything sexually inappropriate for clues, and he gave those clues as "payment" for sexual favors, would I be the only one to blame?

Rest assured, I have never done anything sexually inappropriate for hints or clues. In one of my very first emails to F, I told him I DIDN'T want any hints and that I wanted to EARN the TC by MY OWN hard work.

As far as me getting people banned here, all the moderators, I believe, have publicly said I have not ever asked for anyone to be banned.

To the other blog: Your constant stalking of ME is starting to make the few remaining followers on your blog rethink their alliances. The immature continuation of outrageously false accusations makes you look not only foolish, but like spanked children out for revenge.




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I can confirm the following:

I am in fact "the ever tyrannical emasculator and advocate to the irascible" referred to above.

Mindy has never asked me to ban anyone or to do anything.

Seannm

All,

The crux of the matter is, I apologized to you and I felt that we had moved on, I even picked up my toys and moved to a different room to give you space. You then stalked me, and threatened me by insinuating blackmail, I told you to deal with whomever was sending you information and not me, I even asked you to stop contacting me and warned that further contact would become public, but you continued your pursuit of me.

I will apologize to those others who got caught up in this drama, but will say this, if you voluntary interject yourself into a fight that isn't yours, don't get upset if your nose gets bloodied, own it and walk away the wiser, I know I have. I can wager, up the ante and deal the cards by myself.

So, I will again pick up my toys, depart and bid you farewell. Do not follow.

Seannm
(01-05-2017, 11:38 AM)Seannm Wrote: [ -> ]All,

The crux of the matter is, I apologized to you and I felt that we had moved on, I even picked up my toys and moved to a different room to give you space. You then stalked me, and threatened me by insinuating blackmail, I told you to deal with whomever was sending you information and not me, I even asked you to stop contacting me and warned that further contact would become public, but you continued your pursuit of me.

I will apologize to those others who got caught up in this drama, but will say this, if you voluntary interject yourself into a fight that isn't yours, don't get upset if your nose gets bloodied, own it and walk away the wiser, I know I have. I can wager, up the ante and deal the cards by myself.

So, I will again pick up my toys, depart and bid you farewell. Do not follow.

Seannm


Sean,
I have to say you're mistaken...again. I did not stalk you. When I wrote you about your nasty words about me, I was inquiring as a FRIEND who thought we'd moved past something. Your post made it clear that you have not. I was simply asking why...and you blew it up into this whole stalker thing.

But yeah, go on. No use for those that play deceitful spy games.

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Seannm

Mindy,

You have been stalking me ever since I left CC. Any time your name came up I got an email from you questioning me as to why I said what I said, and those things were never nasty, unless you consider theoretically slapping one in the face with grammar nasty. If that is not stalking me or others I don't know what you call it. If you didn't like what you saw there or what others were sending you from there, then you could have just ignore it and moved on, but you could not, why is that?

Yes, I then perceived your contacting me back in October from a position of one who had moved on from our previous transgressions, so I provided you with friendly advise on dealing with your claims against others. I advised you to be the bigger person and openly apologize and drop the entire issue because it was counter intuitive to you moving on, but you were inflamed, so I again backed away from you, but you vigorously continued your pursuit.

I wish you well Mindy, I really do.

Seannm
(01-05-2017, 12:34 PM)Seannm Wrote: [ -> ]Mindy,

You have been stalking me ever since I left CC. Any time your name came up I got an email from you questioning me as to why I said what I said, and those things were never nasty, unless you consider theoretically slapping one in the face with grammar nasty. If that is not stalking me or others I don't know what you call it. If you didn't like what you saw there or what others were sending you from there, then you could have just ignore it and moved on, but you could not, why is that?

Yes, I then perceived your contacting me back in October from a position of one who had moved on from our previous transgressions, so I provided you with friendly advise on dealing with your claims against others. I advised you to be the bigger person and openly apologize and drop the entire issue because it was counter intuitive to you moving on, but you were inflamed, so I again backed away from you, but you vigorously continued your pursuit.

I wish you well Mindy, I really do.

Seannm


Amazing how you twist things. No use.


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Seannm

All,

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Mindy you said:

So, yes, I'm posting this because there IS scheming behind the scenes, and I don't want anyone else to go through what I'm going through.

Bet, I know you're reading this and probably in shock that Sean isn't the good guy he pretends to be. I'm sorry you were played like that, but you've got to realize that in the end, the truth comes out, and it may cause you to have some bitter feelings to realize I was telling the truth the whole time.

And really, everyone, go back and see where all this stuff originated. For those of you who care to know the truth, PM me, because I have a timeline of screenshots.
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Mindy,

So are you not in fact admitting to the scheming then offering just more of the same, by asking people to contact you outside this thread through Private messaging (PM)? How is this just not more of the same old back door plays that got us into this mess. People who want the truth will make up their own minds, they don't need your or my "twisted" words. Remember there is her side, his side and somewhere in the middle lies the truth. I apologized to you and gave you permission to out me, I even advised you too, but you did not until now, why is that?

Stop playing canasta.

Seannm
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