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Why is everyone getting so upset over all of these men harassing and abusing women now?! You elected a president that brags about it in the locker room! His ex-wife accused him of raping her and no one cared! Why so many women voted for an abuser is beyond me.

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razyfamily
And why so many women voted for Bill Clinton and, later, his enabler Hillary? Probably for similar reasons, whatever they may be, probably political. I never voted for any of these folks.
(11-14-2017, 08:36 AM)old drum Wrote: [ -> ]And why so many women voted for Bill Clinton and, later, his enabler Hillary? Probably for similar reasons, whatever they may be, probably political. I never voted for any of these folks.


So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.


razyfamily



So far, all I'm hearing is that women are willing to accept abuse as long as there is some kind of political gain, says a man. So, this begs the question, what do 52% of voting white women expect to gain with their vote for trump. What is worth enduring this kind of demeaning treatment?
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.
(11-14-2017, 03:30 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.

Yes, she did Chris. There, that's settled. "Progressives" denied Gary Hart before it got too far, and we also denied John Edwards. Remember the Weiner guy? Isn't he going to jail...no one making excuses for him, Chris.

What I want to see is some of the women who voted for Donald Trump explain how he is different from these Hollywood players and republican senators etc, etc, etc.

There is nothing convenient about now, Chris, this has been going on for a while as I explained above. What I want is some accountability from the side that proclaims higher virtue over the rest of us. Get it?

We've heard from enough men already, lets hear from some women who voted for Donald Trump. What does Donald Trump do for you that makes it okay for him to brag about abusing women, but everyone else must go to jail for it?
(11-14-2017, 03:30 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.


Whataboutism is a thing and not a defense.


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(11-14-2017, 05:48 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 03:30 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.


Whataboutism is a thing and not a defense.


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does that have something to do with my comment



(11-14-2017, 04:56 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]We've heard from enough men already, lets hear from some women who voted for Donald Trump. What does Donald Trump do for you that makes it okay for him to brag about abusing women, but everyone else must go to jail for it?

there's a whole lot of sexual assault allegations going around lately

each one, and each person, is a different situation

personally, i don't lump together vulgar private comments with allegations of someone physically committing a serious crime. the two are very different
(11-14-2017, 05:56 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 05:48 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 03:30 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.


Whataboutism is a thing and not a defense.


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does that have something to do with my comment


Yeah, yours and OD’s. Whataboutism—deflecting the terribleness of the current whoever by using “what about that terrible person years ago” as a defense of said current whoever’s terrible actions.

Past behavior of others doesn’t give a pass for current bad behavior. No matter what past officials “got away with,” doesn’t mean that copying their bad behavior is now something we should just accept.

What about those confederate generals? They got away with slavery. Does that mean having slaves should be acceptable today?

If whataboutism was a legal defense, any wife murderer would just have to say, “What about O.J. Simpson?”

Sorry, I didn’t mean to get involved in a political debate, but whataboutism is getting really tiring.




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(11-14-2017, 04:56 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing convenient about now, Chris, this has been going on for a while as I explained above. What I want is some accountability from the side that proclaims higher virtue over the rest of us. Get it?

this perception that somehow there should be more moral accountability from one side over the other is why, despite there having been issues on both sides, there has been loads more hypocrisy from the Democrat side

it would be better for the country if we all just assumed the same standard of morality and accountability from both sides
(11-14-2017, 05:56 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 05:48 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 03:30 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2017, 09:03 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to blame Hillary for Bill's abuses? I'd like to avoid victim blaming, but real answers would be helpful.

not sure what you mean by victim blaming, but after Bill took advantage of these women, then Hillary abused and smeared them to defend Bill's actions. so neither one of those 2 are victims

you will notice lately a significant increase by progressives in calling to account Bill's past sins. they are basically saying, it is time we finally have true reckoning in the Democratic party concerning this.

and the question of course is why now? after all these years? why not do this when it actually mattered?

the answer is because we've finally reached the point where the Clintons are no longer useful. and Hillary has become somewhat of a pariah.

so it is convenient now. there is no political cost, and they can get up on that high horse and act like they are willing to point out right and wrong among their own.


Whataboutism is a thing and not a defense.


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does that have something to do with my comment



(11-14-2017, 04:56 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]We've heard from enough men already, lets hear from some women who voted for Donald Trump. What does Donald Trump do for you that makes it okay for him to brag about abusing women, but everyone else must go to jail for it?

there's a whole lot of sexual assault allegations going around lately

each one, and each person, is a different situation

personally, i don't lump together vulgar private comments with allegations of someone physically committing a serious crime. the two are very different

It generally starts with accusations, Chris, and there's plenty.

https://www.snopes.com/are-we-not-going-...out-trump/

We've heard enough from you, I want to hear it from some women. Would you let your teenage daughter stay with President Trump? Bill Clinton? Harvey Weinstein? Weiner boy? Roy Moore? Bill Cosby? Bill O'Reilly?
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