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"If Forrest Fenn can be DB Cooper's ghost because let's face it, ole 'Coop didn't survive the hypothermia when he jumped without adequate clothing to survive the -7* F ambient temperature when he jumped from 10k feet and froze to death on the way down, then I can be Hitler reincarnated."

"I'll write this off to a sloppy investigation."

This should be good...

Three bundles of cash known to be from the $200,000 ransom were recovered at Tena Bar on the Columbia River 10.2 Miles north of Vancouver, WA.

Several Flight paths were explored but all were in a general vicinity of an area north/northwest of Vancouver, WA. The FBI's official drop area pinpointed Ariel, WA 36 miles north of Vancouver. Given that, the Vancouver weather for November 24, 1971 can be used to clear up some "sloppy investigating."

Cooper's jump time was estimated at 8:13 and the temperature at Vancouver at 8:00pm was about 46 degrees farenheit. Ambient air temperature drops 3 degrees for every 1000 feet of elevation. The estimated altitude differential was about 8500 feet based on the density altitude of PDX at the time. For simplicity sake we'll use 9000 feet. So, 9 X 3 = 27, and 46 degrees minus 27 equals 19 degrees farenheit at altitude. Here's what I found with a quick internet search of skydiving details...

"Once you've reached terminal velocity (120mph when flying in the neutral position I mentioned above), you generally fall about 5.5 seconds every 1000 feet.

So - back of napkin calculations, you're looking at 11 seconds (1st 1000 feet) + 5.5 secs * 9 (the last 9k). Which gives you roughly 60.5 seconds from exiting a plane at 10k feet until meeting up with that big hunk of granite we call 'Earth.'"

Minimums for experienced jumpers opening the chute is 2500 feet AGL.

"So, to answer your question, a jump from 10,000′AGL would give you about 47 seconds of freefall plus a two and 1/2 minute canopy ride."

Total time of the jump would be under 3 1/2 minutes.

Now, hypothermia is surely possible at 46 degrees, but the issue is whether he survived the jump. Obviously, the answer is dependant on his parachute experience, but it is most probable that Cooper didn't die during the jump especially given that his remains were never found. The parachute was never found. Official investigations were inconclusive on all of these details, but that also allows for the conclusion that he did indeed survive.

Now, on to the issue of Hitler reincarnated...
"Within minutes, an on-board warning light indicated that the rear cargo door had been opened, and the cabin temperature dropped to -7 F. It is generally assumed that Cooper jumped from the exit ramp of the Boeing 727 at 8:13 PM."

http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/NWA...Cooper.htm
I’ve read that too, but there is never a citation given. That’s likely some made up stuff like a lot of things. The actual weather data would be a more reliable resource, IMO.

Incidentally, there is no discussion about the severity of the weather at the time of the jump, no discussion about air temperature, precipitation, conditions on the ground etc. In the FBI interview with a proffesional jumper, the opinion of the interviewee indicated that the jump was easily survivable for an experienced jumper.
(05-29-2020, 11:15 PM)LurkerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2020, 07:13 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]But were they “false” accusations, LM? How are you so sure, especially after the tiny bit of proof I sent you? Because kpro says they’re false? Because you know FF personally? Is it POSSIBLE, that you have made a false assumption, like you did with me?

Can you DEFINITIVELY say I have lied about FF?

Yes I can.

I can say it is a lie because you will not post what you say is "evidence" on this public forum.

For over a year, you and this mysterious "Belle" on Harry's have been wanting to send me "private" emails between you and Forrest Fenn that are supposedly "salacious."

But if they are true, why not just post them here for all to see?

Why am I so special that I get to see them "privately" when few on this forum have seen them?

I'll tell you and everyone else why, because if they are untrue or have been edited or changed in any way, then the maker and also the presenter of these supposed accusations become liable for slander. And if Forrest doesn't want to pay for a lawyer, I'll put the retainer on my charge card for him.

The truth does not need to be whispered and shared in secret private emails.

What is it that yall don't understand about that?

Everyone deserves to not only know the charges against them and have their day in court to defend themselves, but they also have the right to face their accuser.

Everyone in the US has those legal rights except for Forrest Fenn on this forum it seems.


Like Top Secret said, I DID post proof, a LOT of proof in the past. FF saw all of it. He did not sue me for libel (not slander, as you suggest, which is lies SPOKEN as facts), most probably because he knows I did not libel him.

Much of the proof is still up, and you could probably find it if you were a good researcher that really wanted to know the truth.

So, your argument holds no water, and again, now that you know that I DID post the proof publicly, what do you have to say?

And again, I’d like to remind you that I felt I have done what my conscience urged me to do—let the community know about what has gone on behind the scenes and the potential compromise of the chase. That’s all I can do, and I’m done, and it’s clear to me that the community doesn’t care. So I’m not going to keep rehashing it.

I’m moving forward in my life, exploring new hobbies, new treasure hunts, and enjoying life. I have no wish to re-start any wars. I don’t know why you’re so eager for the drama to begin again, but I’m not. I’m going to keep moving forward, and let Forrest be Forrest, and let searchers be searchers.

At the same time, I’m not going to let it go if I see searchers spreading falsehoods about me. I’ll call it out every time.

So, my advice to you is—do your research. You’ll find what you’re so eager for if you look hard enough. If you don’t really care about the truth and have some kind of agenda against me, just keep on doing what you’re doing now.


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(05-30-2020, 03:30 AM)LurkerMike Wrote: [ -> ]"Within minutes, an on-board warning light indicated that the rear cargo door had been opened, and the cabin temperature dropped to -7 F. It is generally assumed that Cooper jumped from the exit ramp of the Boeing 727 at 8:13 PM."

http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/NWA...Cooper.htm

Hey dumba$$, that temperature you quoted is the windchill compensated temperature of 727 at 100kts (115 mph). Using CF's 19 deg ambient temp, the windchill at exit would be -10 deg. He would have been exposed to that temperature only until his chute opened. Worst case scenario using CF's altitude assumption of max 9000 ft is approx 23 s of exposure at that temperature. Not getting hypothermia from that. In reality the chute would have opened well before that (or he go splat) and likely no more than a few seconds of exposure, then he spent a minute or two at ambient temperature compensated for altitude 3 deg/1000 (as CF stated) until touchdown. Then he is exposed at ground temperature at altitude of landing zone. That is when you can start talking about hypothermia.

You see that is the problem with you arm-chair know-it-alls who in reality are compensating for your lack of experience in the field that you delve into and act like knowledge kings to impress the ignorant. If you want that, go back to your dumb shack where you can spread your dumba$$ tales without question.

Your "sloppy investigation" is Just another reason why you will not be able to solve this poem (assuming you don't discover there is no Santa Fe Claus first)
(05-30-2020, 08:01 AM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]Like Top Secret said, I DID post proof, a LOT of proof in the past. FF saw all of it. He did not sue me for libel (not slander, as you suggest, which is lies SPOKEN as facts), most probably because he knows I did not libel him.

Much of the proof is still up, and you could probably find it if you were a good researcher that really wanted to know the truth.

So, your argument holds no water, and again, now that you know that I DID post the proof publicly, what do you have to say?


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Yup, she did. I'm a witness. So stop bleating about our refusal to do YOUR research. Man up for a change, LM, and start looking. We've seen it all and dont need to see it again. In fact, the community at large doesnt need to see it. Apparently, the only person who needs to see anything is you and we dont feel the need to feed you anything. So crawl back to Harry's Sewer and let them tell you what you want to know.
Unanswered questions are difficult for most people. People, especially the public, like nice, easily marketable answers. So, in the absense of evidence, the easy solution is that he died in the jump.

It takes evidence to form an assumption that Cooper died in the jump, yet many angles of the investigation, such as the impact of the weather, are never discussed or they're burried in generalizations. Reports say that it was raining heavily, but historical weather data for PDX shows that it had rained less than an inch and it was not raining at 8:00pm on November 24, 1971. Could it have been raining 30 miles away? Yes, but where is the discussion about this?

Just as it is for treasure searchers who go to their spot and don't find the treasure, the treasure has already been found - or - the treasure is a hoax. No evidence either way, so lets package it up and sell it.

Here's a question for you:

If Forrest Fenn had gone out to hide his treasure, but after hiding the chest fell in a river like Randy and succumbed to hypothermia, would his family miss him?

So, where did Cooper go? No one missed him? The evidence on the tie that is believed to be his points to some type of professional career with rare alloys. His boss didn't miss him? His landlord didn't miss him? His bank didn't demand payment on his mortgage?

Was he a homeless guy that bought a thrift store suit and loafers and just guessed that the rear airstair on the 727 would open in flight? These are questions that should come up before you answer the question: did he die from hypothermia.
(05-30-2020, 08:44 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]Unanswered questions are difficult for most people. People, especially the public, like nice, easily marketable answers. So, in the absense of evidence, the easy solution is that he died in the jump.

It takes evidence to form an assumption that Cooper died in the jump, yet many angles of the investigation, such as the impact of the weather, are never discussed or they're burried in generalizations. Reports say that it was raining heavily, but historical weather data for PDX shows that it had rained less than an inch and it was not raining at 8:00pm on November 24, 1971. Could it have been raining 30 miles away? Yes, but where is the discussion about this?

Just as it is for treasure searchers who go to their spot and don't find the treasure, the treasure has already been found - or - the treasure is a hoax. No evidence either way, so lets package it up and sell it.

Here's a question for you:

If Forrest Fenn had gone out to hide his treasure, but after hiding the chest fell in a river like Randy and succumbed to hypothermia, would his family miss him?

So, where did Cooper go? No one missed him? The evidence on the tie that is believed to be his points to some type of professional career with rare alloys. His boss didn't miss him? His landlord didn't miss him? His bank didn't demand payment on his mortgage?

Was he a homeless guy that bought a thrift store suit and loafers and just guessed that the rear airstair on the 727 would open in flight? These are questions that should come up before you answer the question: did he die from hypothermia.


Those are really good points!


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As a side note: I have worked with the 727, I've opened the rear airstair from the outside, and I can assure you that if you don't know how aircraft door mechanisms work, it is not so easy to figure them out. To me this suggests someone like an A&P Mechanic, or engineer. Mechanics are trained to operate the aircraft on the ground, and have comprehensive knowledge of their fleet. They routinely open all areas of the aircraft, crawling into any imaginable space to make repairs.