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(05-30-2020, 09:11 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]As a side note: I have worked with the 727, I've opened the rear airstair from the outside, and I can assure you that if you don't know how aircraft door mechanisms work, it is not so easy to figure them out. To me this suggests soemone like an A&P Mechanic, or engineer. Mechanics are trained to operate the aircraft on the ground, and have comprehensive knowledge of their fleet. They routinely open all areas of the aircraft, crawling into any imaginable space to make repairs.
Very interesting... your argument is backed by a level of aviation knowledge. Unlike lame-brain LM who thinks you will die if you stick your head out the window of a moving car for a few seconds. You have established some degree of credibility, while LM has established the reason he has been exported to the land of dumb-dumb.
(05-30-2020, 09:50 AM)Top Secret Wrote: [ -> ]\Very interesting... your argument is backed by a level of aviation knowledge. Unlike lame-brain LM who thinks you will die if you stick your head out the window of a moving car for a few seconds. You have established some degree of credibility, while LM has established the reason he has been exported to the land of dumb-dumb.

I worked at Lockheed during the C5B build in the 1980's. Besides the C-5s, I did small jobs on everything else as well at that time, from the P-3 Orions to the TR-1s, C-130's, C-141's, Jetstars, as well as the SR-71s.

I'm thinking I could probably figure out how to raise and lower a set of hydraulic operated aircraft stairs assuming there is sufficient hydraulic pressure.
I’m thinking Forrest Fenn could have survived that jump, and tenacity was not one of his short comings.
(05-30-2020, 09:11 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]As a side note: I have worked with the 727, I've opened the rear airstair from the outside, and I can assure you that if you don't know how aircraft door mechanisms work, it is not so easy to figure them out. To me this suggests soemone like an A&P Mechanic, or engineer. Mechanics are trained to operate the aircraft on the ground, and have comprehensive knowledge of their fleet. They routinely open all areas of the aircraft, crawling into any imaginable space to make repairs.

My experience working on aircraft is entirely in building and maintaining military cargo and spy type aircraft. I don't think civilian passenger jets are that much different except they are not engineered to be as strong structurally and they don't have as many redundant systems because no one is expecting them to take battle damage.

I think I could figure it out.

(05-30-2020, 08:44 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]...It takes evidence to form an assumption that Cooper died in the jump...

WTF?

Surely you jest?

(05-30-2020, 08:01 AM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]Like Top Secret said, I DID post proof, a LOT of proof in the past. FF saw all of it. He did not sue me for libel (not slander, as you suggest, which is lies SPOKEN as facts), most probably because he knows I did not libel him.

Much of the proof is still up, and you could probably find it if you were a good researcher that really wanted to know the truth...

Nope.

I have searched the archives of this forum from top to bottom and there is no "proof" that is "still up.

Plenty of talk about the accusations without any accompanying proof.

Mike Jones would probably vouch for me on this.

(05-30-2020, 07:15 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve read that too, but there is never a citation given...

Is it a small world or what?
There is proof out there. Plenty of it. Not only on CC, but FB as well.

And even if there isn’t much of the proof still up, the fact remains that it WAS up for plenty enough time for FF to read it all (which he did), and he did not take any action against me at all. Because he knows it’s true.

So you’re argument still holds no weight, and to ignore what I’ve just said only shows your bias.


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(05-30-2020, 12:43 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]There is proof out there. Plenty of it. Not only on CC, but FB as well.

And even if there isn’t much of the proof still up, the fact remains that it WAS up for plenty enough time for FF to read it all (which he did), and he did not take any action against me at all. Because he knows it’s true.

So you’re argument still holds no weight, and to ignore what I’ve just said only shows your bias.


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My bias is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would you feel if someone made the same accusations about you as you have made about Forrest?

Perhaps they spread these accusations in a whisper campaign in private emails and messages to people that do not let you know what they are saying about you behind your back?

Would you be okay with that?

How do you think that would make Peggy, I mean James, feel?

What about his, I mean your, kids?

You know in your heart that you and your whole family would see me as some kind of hero if I said all of these same things in your defense as I'm saying in Fenn's.

And here's the thing that you know is true that will get me 20 demerits on Harry's for saying, and that is you know damn well I would do the same for you when most of those you think are your friends, even those on this forum, would leave you hanging if that's what Steph wanted them to do.
(05-30-2020, 11:36 AM)LurkerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2020, 09:50 AM)Top Secret Wrote: [ -> ]\Very interesting... your argument is backed by a level of aviation knowledge. Unlike lame-brain LM who thinks you will die if you stick your head out the window of a moving car for a few seconds. You have established some degree of credibility, while LM has established the reason he has been exported to the land of dumb-dumb.

I worked at Lockheed during the C5B build in the 1980's. ...

Translation - Hill Billy Lurker was the Lockheed janitor. We'll call when we need an expert on the rotational velocity of that blue flushy stuff.

Just another one of your size 14 over-compensating claims. Yawn!
(05-30-2020, 01:02 PM)LurkerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2020, 12:43 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]There is proof out there. Plenty of it. Not only on CC, but FB as well.

And even if there isn’t much of the proof still up, the fact remains that it WAS up for plenty enough time for FF to read it all (which he did), and he did not take any action against me at all. Because he knows it’s true.

So you’re argument still holds no weight, and to ignore what I’ve just said only shows your bias.


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My bias is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would you feel if someone made the same accusations about you as you have made about Forrest?

Perhaps they spread these accusations in a whisper campaign in private emails and messages to people that do not let you know what they are saying about you behind your back?

Would you be okay with that?

How do you think that would make Peggy, I mean James, feel?

What about his, I mean your, kids?

You know in your heart that you and your whole family would see me as some kind of hero if I said all of these same things in your defense as I'm saying in Fenn's.

And here's the thing that you know is true that will get me 20 demerits on Harry's for saying, and that is you know damn well I would do the same for you when most of those you think are your friends, even those on this forum, would leave you hanging if that's what Steph wanted them to do.


1. People HAVE said even WORSE things about me than I’ve EVER said about Forrest. All of them are lies. I’ve defended myself countless times against those lies, proving them wrong every time.

2. My kids HAVE found out what lies certain people hiding behind emails have been spreading about me, and luckily, those lies are so outrageous my kids know they aren’t true. It is sad that they had to see how low people will stoop to ruin an innocent person’s reputation.

3. The thing is, I didn’t hide a treasure chest supposedly worth millions. Forrest did. Forrest has claimed that he treats all searchers the same, and that there is a level playing field. Everyone thinks this is a “fair” treasure hunt.

However, tell me this: If what I say is true, and he HAS had romantic relations with female searchers, is there the potential that the chase has been compromised, or will be compromised, at some point?

Of course there is. And THAT is what I’ve tried to convey to searchers.

However, it’s Forrest’s game, and he can do what he wants. But it doesn’t mean that searchers who find out what goes on behind the scenes shouldn’t speak out and try to warn the community.

The differences between me and Forrest are: people are lying about me, and I am not lying about Forrest. If you choose to ignore the evidence presented, that’s your prerogative. But the fact remains that you can not definitively say I’m lying, because I HAVE provided AMPLE evidence and because I am not the ONLY one who has provided ample evidence.

How many have to speak up for people to believe?

For me, if even one person provides convincing evidence that stands up to expert scrutiny (like emails verified to have come from the source in question) I have cause to question. For three or four to provide this convincing evidence, I have cause to warn others that the probability of compromise is high.

Are you a woman-hater, LM? You don’t question the people who have lied and continue to lie about me. You accept everything THEY say at face value. Why is that?


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(05-30-2020, 01:02 PM)LurkerMike Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-30-2020, 12:43 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]There is proof out there. Plenty of it. Not only on CC, but FB as well.

And even if there isn’t much of the proof still up, the fact remains that it WAS up for plenty enough time for FF to read it all (which he did), and he did not take any action against me at all. Because he knows it’s true.

So you’re argument still holds no weight, and to ignore what I’ve just said only shows your bias.


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My bias is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would you feel if someone made the same accusations about you as you have made about Forrest?

Perhaps they spread these accusations in a whisper campaign in private emails and messages to people that do not let you know what they are saying about you behind your back?

Would you be okay with that?

How do you think that would make Peggy, I mean James, feel?

What about his, I mean your, kids?

You know in your heart that you and your whole family would see me as some kind of hero if I said all of these same things in your defense as I'm saying in Fenn's.

And here's the thing that you know is true that will get me 20 demerits on Harry's for saying, and that is you know damn well I would do the same for you when most of those you think are your friends, even those on this forum, would leave you hanging if that's what Steph wanted them to do.

Lurker Mike-- "You know in your heart that you and your whole family would see me as some kind of hero if I said all of those things in defense as I'm saying in Fenns"...
---Lurker, do you see yourself as some kind of hero?
I would be willing to bet that FF doesn't like ppl on the forums defending his honor on these kind of subjects. FF doesn't battle like that, kid. No percentage in fighting. Maybe go back and re-read that,compensations for being quiet, scrapbook, and think about what you're doing wrong Smile
(05-30-2020, 04:22 PM)Seeker9 Wrote: [ -> ]I would be willing to bet that FF doesn't like ppl on the forums defending his honor on these kind of subjects. FF doesn't battle like that, kid. No percentage in fighting. Maybe go back and re-read that,compensations for being quiet, scrapbook, and think about what you're doing wrong Smile

I appreciate the advice, thanks.

But we all should know the odds of me finding Fenn's Treasure are no better or worse than yours, or Mindy's or the odds of anyone who is actively BOTG searching for it when they can.

I'd bet a paycheck that Forrest Fenn has come to hate me more than Mindy, and probably those in his family who might be following the forums hate me more as well.

Why? Because I keep bringing all of this up when it otherwise would fade from public view.

And why would I do something I know it offensive to Forrest Fenn, a man who I admire? Because I keep receiving private messages about all of this nonsense. And if I am receiving these accusations against Forrest, it's unlikely others are not receiving them "on the down-low" as well.

Don't message me any kind of personal assault allegations about someone else, including Mindy, that you don't have the balls to:

1) Say to their face

-and-

2) Post in public on a public forum

Which is to say, I'm not a low-life backstabbing maggot. That doesn't make me a hero, it just makes me an honest standup dude who lives by a code of ethics he applies evenly to everyone regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, religion -(except atheists, they can all go to hell), gender, sex, sexual orientation...

It should be clear by my arguments with fellow members over at Harry's that some people just don't like me wherever I go, and I don't like them right back.

But to most of those who do like me, they see me as a loyal friend who will stick by them in troubling times and not leave them hanging by defending to the best of my abilities. And because I'm not a fairweather fake friend, I'm the first friend to tell you that you have a booger hanging out of your nose, knowing how embarrassing that might be for you. And I do my best not to laugh when I do.

I'm such a male chauvinist who hates women so much that after 30 years of marriage to me, my first wife is still married to me. That's not 60+ years of Forrest and Peggy marriage, but it's still notable for any couple of the Baby Boomer generation.

And if you think I don't speak my mind to her and her to me, consider you your life partner would react when they get on the subject of "marriage is a commitment forever" and you argue as I do that's bullsh!t, marriage is a day-to-day contract to work on the relationship, nothing more and nothing less. And my evidence is the fact that when you go too many days without working on that supposed "commitment forever" relationship and you start taking your partner and the relationship for granted, that's when you should expect a D-I-V-O-R-C-E in your future.

The secret to a long marriage is the same for most other kinds of relationships like working with the same people on a job for a long time or having a good relationship with your neighbors for many years, is learning how to fight with them for about half the time and how to make up the other half of the time.

All of my enemies, including Forrest Fenn and Mindy too, are just friends of mine who haven't come to fully realize it just yet.

(05-30-2020, 01:57 PM)Mindy Wrote: [ -> ]3. The thing is, I didn’t hide a treasure chest supposedly worth millions. Forrest did. Forrest has claimed that he treats all searchers the same, and that there is a level playing field. Everyone thinks this is a “fair” treasure hunt.

However, tell me this: If what I say is true, and he HAS had romantic relations with female searchers, is there the potential that the chase has been compromised, or will be compromised, at some point?

Of course there is. And THAT is what I’ve tried to convey to searchers.

However, it’s Forrest’s game, and he can do what he wants. But it doesn’t mean that searchers who find out what goes on behind the scenes shouldn’t speak out and try to warn the community.

All of that wild extra-marital sex must not have been very satisfying because no one has been rewarded with the chest.

When I hear these kinds of allegations, I think back to that recording of Kpro verbally assaulting Forrest Fenn in his home without any context while Jason and Sacha stood idly by and did nothing to try to stop her or help Forrest, I wonder about the context of these sexual allegations and I can't stop thinking about one of my favorite actors and rock stars, Jack Black, in that scene in Tropic Thunder where he was offering "favors" in exchange for being untied:

WARNING: NSFW Or Children!
https://youtu.be/5ap5buTT78A?t=185

Does it matter whether one accepts a proposition or not?

Every searcher had better be glad that Jack Black isn't a searcher! He seems like he has the raw determination to do whatever it takes to get information out of Fenn!