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(10-27-2015, 11:33 AM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 09:53 AM)Larsonist Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 08:43 AM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly believe that there are only a few people in the world that understand this poem...

Be sure to humbly exclude yourself from this list, Mr. Heep.

I am afraid I can't do that because I have the knowledge.
I don't understand all this fracas with Charmay, Cynthia etc but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in someway connected to what I emailed F this summer.
What you have is an educated guess just like the rest of us and no treasure chest to show for it. What you also have is someone over here who has the potential to find it before you can even try.
(10-27-2015, 12:25 PM)njfl Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 11:33 AM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 09:53 AM)Larsonist Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 08:43 AM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly believe that there are only a few people in the world that understand this poem...

Be sure to humbly exclude yourself from this list, Mr. Heep.

I am afraid I can't do that because I have the knowledge.
I don't understand all this fracas with Charmay, Cynthia etc but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in someway connected to what I emailed F this summer.
What you have is an educated guess just like the rest of us and no treasure chest to show for it. What you also have is someone over here who has the potential to find it before you can even try.

Who is the someone over there you speak of?
It is obviously a riddle because it took Forrest 15 years to create it. The directions to the treasure chest have to be at least one step removed from the given text of the poem otherwise how did it take him 15 years?

Making things rhyme for a point-to-point treasure hunt would take the average person about 2 days. He didn't have to find the places to use in his directions as he said he already new where he was going to hide the chest. These places would simply work backwards from the location of the chest to a starting point he chose.

An 'architect' builds something with a themed structure throughout. There is no such structure in a literal set of directions.
(10-29-2015, 09:59 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]White Knight, I can accept the thought that it just took time to create a poem that could be as vague as possible yet still lead a searcher to a specific location. Too random and it would be impossible, too obvious and it would take no time at all to solve. IMO, Making your interpretations too obscure or too simple leads to failure, i.e. WWWH is a hot spring. But that is a predictable place to start and he knew that when he wrote it.

good thinking with obvious vs random.
but WWWH is 100% not a hot spring

(10-29-2015, 09:29 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]It is obviously a riddle because it took Forrest 15 years to create it. The directions to the treasure chest have to be at least one step removed from the given text of the poem otherwise how did it take him 15 years?

Making things rhyme for a point-to-point treasure hunt would take the average person about 2 days. He didn't have to find the places to use in his directions as he said he already new where he was going to hide the chest. These places would simply work backwards from the location of the chest to a starting point he chose.

An 'architect' builds something with a themed structure throughout. There is no such structure in a literal set of directions.

ofc it's a riddle....and no maths, no numbers, no codes and no ciphers are involved.
Just curious Mr Briggs...how many e- books have you sold on Amazon?

marie.akridge

(10-29-2015, 07:06 PM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-29-2015, 09:59 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: [ -> ]White Knight, I can accept the thought that it just took time to create a poem that could be as vague as possible yet still lead a searcher to a specific location. Too random and it would be impossible, too obvious and it would take no time at all to solve. IMO, Making your interpretations too obscure or too simple leads to failure, i.e. WWWH is a hot spring. But that is a predictable place to start and he knew that when he wrote it.

good thinking with obvious vs random.
but WWWH is 100% not a hot spring

(10-29-2015, 09:29 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]It is obviously a riddle because it took Forrest 15 years to create it. The directions to the treasure chest have to be at least one step removed from the given text of the poem otherwise how did it take him 15 years?

Making things rhyme for a point-to-point treasure hunt would take the average person about 2 days. He didn't have to find the places to use in his directions as he said he already new where he was going to hide the chest. These places would simply work backwards from the location of the chest to a starting point he chose.

An 'architect' builds something with a themed structure throughout. There is no such structure in a literal set of directions.

ofc it's a riddle....and no maths, no numbers, no codes and no ciphers are involved.
Just curious Mr Briggs...how many e- books have you sold on Amazon?

Could it be a cold spring?
I need to counter the belief held by some Searchers that the cipher used by Lewis & Clark is complicated. It isn't - it's a simple letter substitution system. Kids are able to do it. There's no mathematical or numerical process involved.

The difficult part is getting the output phrases to say what you want them to say given a particular keyword(s).

The Chase is a riddle and at within a key step this riddle has used a simple letter substitution system.

le Chef

(10-30-2015, 05:16 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]The difficult part is getting the output phrases to say what you want them to say given a particular keyword(s).

This rules the system out 100% for me
I would want a cipher to reveal what FF wanted them to say immediately, not 'get them to say what I wanted them to say'

See the difference?
The difficult part was for Forrest to get the output phrases to be an intelligible shorthand version of the longhand directions he had to the chest.

He made them a shorthand version because he wanted to disguise the use of the cipher. So the text that made up his answers (the text that was the output from encrypting the directions) was perfect English at the expense of making the directions a form of shorthand 'text-speak' and phonetics.

So his original directions that said 'you will see a big lake' became:

'U U C BYG LAK &'

to enable this string of letters to be encrypted by letter substitution to a perfect English phrase with the same number of letters:

'CHICKEN PEN'

The latter phrase doesn't look like the result of a cipher. Hence the disguise.

This process contributed to the time it took for Forrest to create the riddle - 15 years.

Here's the same text also showing the section of the keyword phrase 'infamy bound' Using this keyword phrase Forrest converted each letter of the shorthand geographical directions into another letter to form a perfect English phrase 'chicken pen'. A section of this is shown below:

I N F A M Y B O U
C H I C K E N P E
U U C B Y G L A K

le Chef

(10-30-2015, 07:12 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]The difficult part was for Forrest to get the output phrases to be an intelligible shorthand version of the longhand directions he had to the chest.

He made them a shorthand version because he wanted to disguise the use of the cipher. So the text that made up his answers (the text that was the output from encrypting the directions) was perfect English at the expense of making the directions a form of shorthand 'text-speak' and phonetics.

So his original directions that said 'you will see a big lake' became:

'U U C BYG LAK &'

to enable this string of letters to be encrypted by letter substitution to a perfect English phrase with the same number of letters:

'CHICKEN PEN'

The latter phrase doesn't look like the result of a cipher. Hence the disguise.

This process contributed to the time it took for Forrest to create the riddle - 15 years.

Here's the same text also showing the section of the keyword phrase 'infamy bound' Using this keyword phrase Forrest converted each letter of the shorthand geographical directions into another letter to form a perfect English phrase 'chicken pen'. A section of this is shown below:

I N F A M Y B O U
C H I C K E N P E
U U C B Y G L A K

You need to find a job..... Alan Turing you are not...as yoda would say
(10-30-2015, 07:39 AM)le Chef Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2015, 07:12 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]The difficult part was for Forrest to get the output phrases to be an intelligible shorthand version of the longhand directions he had to the chest.

He made them a shorthand version because he wanted to disguise the use of the cipher. So the text that made up his answers (the text that was the output from encrypting the directions) was perfect English at the expense of making the directions a form of shorthand 'text-speak' and phonetics.

So his original directions that said 'you will see a big lake' became:

'U U C BYG LAK &'

to enable this string of letters to be encrypted by letter substitution to a perfect English phrase with the same number of letters:

'CHICKEN PEN'

The latter phrase doesn't look like the result of a cipher. Hence the disguise.

This process contributed to the time it took for Forrest to create the riddle - 15 years.

Here's the same text also showing the section of the keyword phrase 'infamy bound' Using this keyword phrase Forrest converted each letter of the shorthand geographical directions into another letter to form a perfect English phrase 'chicken pen'. A section of this is shown below:

I N F A M Y B O U
C H I C K E N P E
U U C B Y G L A K

You need to find a job..... Alan Turing you are not...as yoda would say


But he's convinced he sees a chance to sell books.
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