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As I said, a kid can do letter substitution. You don't need to be Alan Turin.
White Knight,

Your observation about taking 15 years to create the poem being an indicator that the directions to the chest will be at least one step removed from the text is an excellent one.

I'd like to understand something in more detail about your theory that I recall having read at another site.

You found two Marvel comic characters, two wild west characters, two Indian chiefs, etc? at one stage of this cipher?

I sincerely hope I'm remembering that correctly. If this is the case, I think what you've done is going to be right.

Doc
Doc,

Yes, Forrest started with a set of directions that were made up of 9 lines of text.

He then converted the text of each line into some alternative text. These converted lines could have been to do with any subject on earth but he made them relevant to subjects of interest to him including the items you listed.

So one line of text he converted to ‘Spiderman’. Forrest is a fan of comic books.

Another he converted to ‘Chief Little Turtle’ - Forrest is keen on Native American history.

Another he converted to ‘Rattlesnake Springs’- Relevant to Chief Victorio - again Native American history.

Another he converted to ‘Rooster Cogburn’ – Forrest is a fan of wild west fiction.

To get the directions, a Searcher must convert each phrase shown above in inverted commas, back into it’s original underlying text by using the right keywords.
(10-27-2015, 08:43 AM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-27-2015, 07:21 AM)phoenix Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-26-2015, 07:57 PM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]I am sorry Mr Briggs but I can state with the utmost confidence that you are wrong. F doesn't deal in codes....he deals only in meaning, logic and imagination.

in his recent scrapbook the colour of the dragonflies, and the geese walking tells me all I need to know.
A level of intelligence is kind of required, but much more important is a craziness and vivid imagination and a logical way of thinking combined with the above that you can't learn and cannot be taught. Once you are thinking on his plain...everything makes sense. You could give 100 of the top academic brains in the world millions of dollars to dedicate their lives to solving this riddle and they couldn't do it...yet an A-level drop out who plays call of duty all day probably could.

If someone beats me to it then I wish them well.

Magic,
you being from the UK
are you and the Knight related,
in anyway?

(10-27-2015, 07:21 AM)phoenix Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-26-2015, 07:57 PM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]I am sorry Mr Briggs but I can state with the utmost confidence that you are wrong. F doesn't deal in codes....he deals only in meaning, logic and imagination.

in his recent scrapbook the colour of the dragonflies, and the geese walking tells me all I need to know.
A level of intelligence is kind of required, but much more important is a craziness and vivid imagination and a logical way of thinking combined with the above that you can't learn and cannot be taught. Once you are thinking on his plain...everything makes sense. You could give 100 of the top academic brains in the world millions of dollars to dedicate their lives to solving this riddle and they couldn't do it...yet an A-level drop out who plays call of duty all day probably could.

If someone beats me to it then I wish them well.

Magic,
you being from the UK
are you and the Knight related,
in anyway?

What I'm trying to understand is- was he your sponsor, and are you coming to the US with him? just curious is all...

no we are not related, I don't know Mr Briggs, and he is not my sponsor.
I honestly believe that there are only a few people in the world that understand this poem (although I maybe wrong).
Magic you are right. Very few.
White Knight,

Did the phrases turn out to have a natural, easy way to group them into four pairs and one single? If this was the case, was it sequential, or were you able to pair them through observation?

My antennae are starting to twitch...

Thanks for the responses,

Doc
Four have real or fictional Native American references. Even 'Spiderman' was a Native American spirit.

In addition to using subjects of interest to him Forrest used phrases that contained the name of a type of creature. This is the common theme linking all nine phrases. You can see this in the four I've given above: spider, turtle, snake, rooster.
Knight is basing his solve using a cipher applied to phrases he's guessing are right, one letter wrong and his whole theory fails, we all get he used animals and themes fed them into a cipher and they spelled another set of words( loosely interpreted again) that he truly believes. Hey, I'm not attacking Knight, I'm all for someone believing in there work, but for me it's too forced, one level of personal interpretation of the final results , great, makes total sense, but using random letters for a set key and then finding random phrases of the results just begs for false positives. ,
He's knows this, he needs validation before investment or he wouldn't still be chatting, he can't trust the end without first trusting the start.
It's not guess work. Forrest started with each line of directions then turned each into a phrase of different text with the same number of letters. Each subsequent phrase was used as an answer. Then he wrote a clue to point to each answer.

For example the first line of text from the geographical directions was the shorthand phrase:

'PC ON GREENED FR PUT TO'

This was converted to give a phrase with the same number of letters

‘RATTLESNAKE SPRINGS’.

Then Forrest looked for a clue to reference this phrase i.e. ‘where warm waters halt’ and listed it within his poem. So the first clue was ‘where warm waters halt’. The first answer was ‘Rattlesnake Springs’. The underlying text of this answer was the first line of text from the geographical directions shown above.

To get the directions a Searcher must reverse the process - from the clue in the poem (where warm waters halt) they get the answer (Rattlesnake Springs) then convert the answer back to the shorthand geographical directions.

le Chef

(10-30-2015, 10:40 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]It's not guess work. Forrest started with each line of directions then turned each into a phrase of different text with the same number of letters. Each subsequent phrase was used as an answer. Then he wrote a clue to point to each answer.

For example the first line of text from the geographical directions was the shorthand phrase:

'PC ON GREENED FR PUT TO'

This was converted to give a phrase with the same number of letters

‘RATTLESNAKE SPRINGS’.

Then Forrest looked for a clue to reference this phrase i.e. ‘where warm waters halt’ and listed it within his poem. So the first clue was ‘where warm waters halt’. The first answer was ‘Rattlesnake Springs’. The underlying text of this answer was the first line of text from the geographical directions shown above.

To get the directions a Searcher must reverse the process - from the clue in the poem (where warm waters halt) they get the answer (Rattlesnake Springs) then convert the answer back to the shorthand geographical directions.

I understand the theory and I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong....
I'm wanting to understand this process.

'Where warm waters halt' might mean 'Rattlesnake Springs'.

A key word or phrase is then applied to 'Rattlesnake Springs' to obtain 'PC on Greened FR PUT To'?

If this is the case, how does PC ON GREENED FR PUT TO become geographical directions?
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