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(10-30-2015, 10:45 AM)le Chef Wrote: [ -> ]I understand the theory and I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong....

Do the French know what a gem they have? Your best three-egg omelet, tout suite!

Bet

(10-30-2015, 11:37 AM)Doc Wrote: [ -> ]I'm wanting to understand this process.

'Where warm waters halt' might mean 'Rattlesnake Springs'.

A key word or phrase is then applied to 'Rattlesnake Springs' to obtain 'PC on Greened FR PUT To'?

If this is the case, how does PC ON GREENED FR PUT TO become geographical directions?

Holly over on HOD....she got nuked for her solve, but she used the Briggs cipher, but thought PC ON was pecan creek, and the TC was on the Green of a golf course in Texas.....can't make this stuff up...but it does point out the randomness of this method...The problem I have with the Lewis and Clark cipher is you must have a Key word first....Briggs I think used a different key word on each clue.....I just can't see how this could be a viable way to solve this....
It may be clearer using the last line of the directions.

----E-A-D-N-G---W --F-G-----R-E-Y-----C-Y-G-N
C---H-I-E-F-L----I-T-T--L-----E-T-U-----R-T-L-E

----C-H-A-S-E---M-I-N-E-----N-O-W----O-V-E-R

I've left out a couple of padding letters.

So the shorthand directions at the top say 'Heading west F Grey sign'. This text was converted to the phrase 'Chief Little Turtle' using the keyword line 'Chase mine now over'. To decrypt Chief Little Turtle you put the keyword line alongside it to get back to the original shorthand directions.

This was the hardest keyword line to work out and could be where I've gone wrong. For the other phrases more obvious repeating words like 'FENN' were used in the keyword line.
Andrew , can I ask what cipher app.you are using to enter your data, I don't need your solve, just like to understand things.
It was all manual. I got the answers to the clues. then realised the answers were generated using the Lewis & Clark chart.

To get the keywords there were some clues apparent. For example I believe the line in Forrest's poem 'I give you title to the gold' had dual meaning and in one sense was a hint to use his name 'FENN' as a keyword.

Also the word 'INVICTUS' was likely used in the Chase as he quoted the poem Invictus and referenced it a number of times.
Manually, wow, that's a ton of work, why did you use the Lewis and Clark cipher and not the Lewis carol cipher, as your name would suggest?
There's a chapter in TTOTC called 'looking for Lewis & Clark'. And in one of the books Forrest cited online the Jefferson cipher is mentioned (the Lewis & Clark cipher is a Jefferson cipher) . Forrest has also talked about men that signed the US Declaration of Independence - Jefferson was one of these.
I'm just bad with ciphers. I really want to understand the methodology, so I can work behind it and see it for myself.

Is the goal of the solution to find the shorthand geographic directions?

If that's the case, can you walk me through one specific example from front-to-back?

1. 'Where warm waters halt' has a solution of 'Rattlesnake Springs'?
2. Apply a keyword or keyphrase to Rattlesnake Springs to obtain the geographic shorthand?

White Knight, thanks for sharing all this information. Helps stimulate the gray cells, and I need all the practice I can get with ciphers.
True true, also the opening line points to Lewis , exploring the Marias River alone and then the "hear me all" line, remined me of a Christmas carol,
Lewis carol.
Doc,

Yes you've got it. The goal is to obtain the shorthand directions.

Your example i1-2 is for the first line of the directions. So the first clue is 'where warm water halt'. The solution is 'Rattlesnake Springs' You convert the letters of 'Rattlesnake springs' into the letters of the shorthand directions (made up from the same number of letters) by applying a key-phrase.
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