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(11-05-2015, 04:54 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]To me it's obvious that the evidence and conclusions in my solution are correct, What I've provided to Searchers gets them very close to the treasure chest. Remember the majority of Searchers are milling around in New Mexico - three States away from the actual location.

So I can't get the last part of the directions right. Well I haven't done too badly.

The logic of what you're saying about me not finding the chest is like saying to a javelin thrower if you can throw the javelin 110m you must be able to throw it 120m.

It's a free world so people can express their own views and interpretations but my conviction is that no one should discard any part of the method and basis of my solution but they should try to work out a different interpretation for the last part of the directions.
You just said:
So I can't get the last part of the directions right. Well I haven't done too badly.
Seriously? That means your solution is wrong.

Why should you expect anyone to waste their time and money on your wrong solution? Sounds to me like you're just trying to get people to look around for YOU so you can save YOUR time and money.

I can see right through the con and I hope all who read this see through it too so people won't get duped into searching for you.
(11-04-2015, 07:33 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-04-2015, 01:14 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]I already do. The answer to the first clue provides a Northerly starting co-ordinate. The answer to the second clue provides a westerly starting co-ordinate. This is why the first two answers have a similar letter structure - they are designed to reveal a similar phrase that is used to get to the co-ordinates.

So Forrest Fenn would be wrong when he said this recently?...

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.

White Knight, for some reason you skipped answering this question of mine...wonder why!
A lot of people are spending their time trying to improve on the last 5% of my solution because they know that the solution is correct up to this point. If any of those Searchers find the chest it will be theirs to keep so quite rightly they are Searching for themselves.

Try giving those people the credit for being able to come to their own decisions regarding my solution.

I have provided the bulk of the correct solution to other Searchers and have saved them vast amounts of money by helping them avoid looking in the wrong places. This act is as benevolent as you can get so I can't quite comprehend your 'conspiracy theory' train of thought.
White. ... you're never going to get anything right. Seriously save some precious years of your life and.... oh yeah you did sell some books.... your next book can be "big foot in the uk" and "I found Nessy"
(11-05-2015, 07:51 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people are spending their time trying to improve on the last 5% of my solution because they know that the solution is correct up to this point. If any of those Searchers find the chest it will be theirs to keep so quite rightly they are Searching for themselves.

Try giving those people the credit for being able to come to their own decisions regarding my solution.

I have provided the bulk of the correct solution to other Searchers and have saved them vast amounts of money by helping them avoid looking in the wrong places. This act is as benevolent as you can get so I can't quite comprehend your 'conspiracy theory' train of thought.

Who are you referring this statement to? Who's the "your"? And what "conspiracy theory" do you mean? Be more specific.
(11-05-2015, 07:51 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people are spending their time trying to improve on the last 5% of my solution because they know that the solution is correct up to this point. If any of those Searchers find the chest it will be theirs to keep so quite rightly they are Searching for themselves.

Try giving those people the credit for being able to come to their own decisions regarding my solution.

I have provided the bulk of the correct solution to other Searchers and have saved them vast amounts of money by helping them avoid looking in the wrong places. This act is as benevolent as you can get so I can't quite comprehend your 'conspiracy theory' train of thought.
People deserve to know when a con artist is trying to scam them into searching his area for him. Your solution is not correct and you can't prove which state is the right state. How could anyone know your solution is correct up to any point? Because you say so? That's only YOUR individual belief. You can't prove anything.
(11-04-2015, 05:31 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Because Forrest said someone may have solved 4 clues doesn't mean they haven't solved the other 5. I believe Forrest likes to keep Searchers chasing by making progress sound gradual but attainable: 400ft from the chest, 200ft from the chest. 2 clues solved, 4 clues solved.

The solution I have identified produces a result (a set of directions) that is extremely unlikely to be produced by chance. Statistically, the solution has to be 'nail-on' correct.

Then show us the statistics. My personal belief is that you do not have the mathematical chops to do it. If you can show them, then show them. I was not remotely convinced by the stuff of yours I read. It sounded purely random to me.

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(11-05-2015, 07:51 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people are spending their time trying to improve on the last 5% of my solution because they know that the solution is correct up to this point. If any of those Searchers find the chest it will be theirs to keep so quite rightly they are Searching for themselves.

Try giving those people the credit for being able to come to their own decisions regarding my solution.

I have provided the bulk of the correct solution to other Searchers and have saved them vast amounts of money by helping them avoid looking in the wrong places. This act is as benevolent as you can get so I can't quite comprehend your 'conspiracy theory' train of thought.

White...now you have insulted me...benevolence would mean an act of kindness....you did not give your solve away to help others....you sold it. Greed and self-interest were what motivated you. Let's call a spade a spade here. I may delete this thread because you are using it to market your book, and I am tired of this.
(11-05-2015, 09:31 PM)Plasmalupus Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-05-2015, 07:51 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]"A lot of people are spending their time trying to improve on the last 5% of my solution"

Perhaps I should explain the meaning of "improve"...

In America improving something is like taking a car that gets 20 miles a gallon and making it get 28. It's taking a device like an iPhone and engineering things in it to extend battery life.

What it's not is working on an aircraft that does not fly or air vents and portholes on a submarine...

95% of a Fenn solution in reality is equal to zero because you can't make it work. You can't improve something that does not work or common sense dictates can't work.

I would suggest that since you are so close, you should spend your time working on that last 5% and when you have it all figured out, just go get the chest yourself and live happily ever after.

In my opinion WK is a pimp and not really worth paying any attention to. At all.

While I agree with "95% of a Fenn solution in reality is equal to zero because you can't make it work. " I don't fully agree with it. Partial solutions to all problems are possible. Right now we have a partial solution to Fenn's puzzle that we "know" is right. We haven't pushed it through to the end though.
Then you said: "You can't improve something that does not work or common sense dictates can't work. " Common sense doesn't dictate much of anything regarding "the chase." If any of us had a lick of common sense we wouldn't participate. My last point is that things that don't work can be improved. Think Thomas Edison and the light bulb.
I know an amateur chaser when one of the questions they are asking or concerned about finding out is "which state"?. Asking that question will NEVER help you solve it.

F putting a message in the poem such as "byg layke, he'd suth n luk unda rok" is taking the piss. F is way too clever for that. It would be embarrassing to do that, and embarrassing to suggest that is a solution. He is an imagination type of person, not a code/ coordinate kinda guy.

I don't blame wk for posting his ideas as he may believe in them, so good luck to him. If ppl want to part with their money the fair play. I reckon my solve would go for $100 apiece, but I wouldn't sell it for $10,000 because anybody, and I mean anybody that reads it would know its right, I have morals and wouldn't want to spoil the chase. Its such a masterpiece that it deserves better.
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