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White Knight,

The first stage of your solution yielded nine animals beginning with RATTLESNAKE SPRINGS and ending with CHIEF LITTLE TURTLE.

The first stage of the morse code gives us the MAD TROUT.

The first stage of the skip cipher gives us MOTHER GOOSE. (Book of verse.)

What the three of you have found, in my opinion, is by far the most significant thing that has been discovered, and I would maintain that even if I put my hands on the chest tomorrow.

Your three ciphers and their resulting clues are not independent of each other.

I am eternally grateful for the time and effort it took to find these ciphers and the three of you for posting your findings, because I wouldn't have found them in a million years.

They're not going to be helpful in discovering the location of the chest, so I'm going to let them rest for the time being. White Knight, I have a lot of faith in your abilities. The man that was able to come up with that god-awfully difficult cipher and find directions and baseball cards would have been able to discover the location of the chest if those directions took you there. Hands down, no doubt in my mind.

The three of you are like the Really Smart Kids who rummaged through the house and found their Christmas presents in October. You found something far earlier than was anticipated by the author.

Many thanks,

Doc
Doc,

Forrest tried to disguise the fact that the answers to the clues were lines of encrypted text that masked the geographical directions by:

1) Forming each of those lines of text into a perfect English phrase.

– the output of cipher encryption is normally gobbledegook so he made the output perfect English phrases such as ‘Little Snake Valley’ at the expense of adjusting the text that described the underlying geographical directions into partial text speak and phonetics.

2) Including the name of a type of animal in each answer. This was to make it look like the answers were related by this commonality. If he hadn’t done this then Searchers would be presented with a block of text made up from the answers that seemed like a collection of random phrases. So they’d be more inclined to suspect that the lines in the block of text were the output of a cipher.

I believe he decided to include the names of animals after he’d formulated the answer to the first two clues. He started the riddle with these clues and answers. They gave the co-ordinates for the starting location.

Both these first two ‘random’ output phrases ended up having the word ‘snake’ in them so I believe he then decided to put the name of a type of animal within each of the remaining answers.

- In reality this step helped me to solve the answers to the clues at the earlier stage of the riddle as I realised all correct answers had the name of a type of animal within them.

- Also the key part of the text of the geographical directions was often hidden under the name of the type of animal within the answer so this helped with the decryption of each phrase.

I believe the inclusion of the name of a type of animal within each answer was a red-herring designed to throw any Searcher off the trail.

3) Forming the first two random lines of text (the first two answers) into geographical place names.

- This was another disguise to suggest to any Searcher who had solved only the first two clues that the remaining answers may also be geographical places.- a point-to-point treasure hunt.

General comments:

I don’t understand why we’re solving this riddle if what we’re doing doesn’t lead to the chest - if it’s not going to help anyone find the chest? How can something be more significant in the Chase than getting your hands on the chest?

The Lewis & Clark cipher is very simple. It’s just a letter substitution. The hard part was getting the keywords to unlock it. The Lewis & Clark cipher step is all that is needed. Even though it’s obviously right I’ve been pelted on the blogs for daring to identify a cipher in the solution. If you’re trying to include three ciphers then prepare to get 'strung up'.
White Knight,

The author's use of language is slippery, and it's one of the aspects of the game I enjoy. You're one of the few people on the planet who could have found this cipher--I'm not one of them--and I completely believe its validity. I'm appreciative of your posting it, and I'll try to return the favor.

What's the bat people are beating you with?

What quote from Mr. Fenn is being used? If it's anything resembling his latest question and answer about 'No I don't madam, sorry. f', there will be a hidden message embedded within it.

I love this author. He's asked a question about subtle hints for Brown, hoB, wwh, and the blaze--he gives a strange reply in the negative that's actually a small word puzzle that gives the subtle hints for the four items.

I'll bet a nickel whatever quote from the author people are using to pummel you accomplishes a similar purpose.

Keep the faith and hang in there,

Doc
I’m surprised people are still referencing this list of items including the word 'cipher'. I pointed out on Dal’s blog that this list also includes ‘Codes’ and ‘Riddles’ which covers every possible solution. I believe Forrest was just trying to say it’s not a mathematical problem.

Each person's solution must involve the poem being a ‘riddle’ or else they would have found the chest already in the last six years. So all solutions are discounted by this list. Or if you like, none of them are if you believe Forrest was talking about numerical algorithms etc and he made a mistake including all of these words in the list.
Buddy Allen, thanks for the link.

White Knight, the author's command of English is top notch; he made no mistakes.

The author's playing some tricks with that statement.

My first impression is the term 'positive solutions' is a very odd description of answers.

1. It's a chemistry reference. 'Positive solutions' are ACIDS.

It's an anagram of C AIDS or 3 AIDS. We're going to find '3 aids' within that list. He confirms you're doing it right so far because his next sentence gives examples of '3 aids': TTOTC, Google Earth, and a map.

It's just like this author to encode hints within a statement that there are no codes. Smile

This is just a first blush impression, and I'm bad with ciphers, but I'm gonna look over these 18 terms and see if anything pops out.

Keep on keepin' on,

Doc

Bet

(11-14-2015, 08:57 AM)Doc Wrote: [ -> ]White Knight,

The author's use of language is slippery, and it's one of the aspects of the game I enjoy. You're one of the few people on the planet who could have found this cipher--I'm not one of them--and I completely believe its validity. I'm appreciative of your posting it, and I'll try to return the favor.

What's the bat people are beating you with?

What quote from Mr. Fenn is being used? If it's anything resembling his latest question and answer about 'No I don't madam, sorry. f', there will be a hidden message embedded within it.

I love this author. He's asked a question about subtle hints for Brown, hoB, wwh, and the blaze--he gives a strange reply in the negative that's actually a small word puzzle that gives the subtle hints for the four items.

I'll bet a nickel whatever quote from the author people are using to pummel you accomplishes a similar purpose.

Keep the faith and hang in there,

Doc

I guess most of us believed Fenn when he said an average person could solve this, just like, we believed it when Fenn said imagination was more important than knowledge....we believed Fenn when he came out with the parameters that said no ciphers. So, if what you and White are saying is true, then we have all been fools.....it would appear one needs a very high IQ, and an advanced knowledge of complex puzzle solving, in order to solve this. Oh you don't need to give White anything he sold his work, and is making money.....maybe you can do the same Doc....although you seem pretty convinced you will find this thing. But if you don't well you can always sell your book like White. Fenn's words are my bat....I have a character flaw...I trust people when they tell me something.....

APRIL 2014
Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f
So you all believe no 'Riddles' and no 'Codes' also? You can't single out one word from the list that suits your own solution.

Bet

(11-14-2015, 11:12 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]So you all believe no 'Riddles' and no 'Codes' also? You can't single out one word from the list that suits your own solution.

What I believe is that there should be a clarification, if this statement is not true....
Bet,

Don't become discouraged--you're one of the most positive people I've encountered on this forum. Mr. Fenn isn't being mean-spirited about it, not in the least.

He's just really tricky. Slippery as an eel. Master of Misdirection.

You know I think 'warm waters' is Luke, and 'canyon' is Grand. That isn't difficult. It's just really, really clever of the author. People have been searching bodies of water and canyons for the past five years because of that statement.

I'm having a blast.

You're not going to need to be a cipher expert to solve his chest. What White Knight, Wild Goose, and djmmcv found won't be used to find the chest. That in no way invalidates their findings--they just found something WAY WAY sooner than was intended. In other words, those god-awfully hard ciphers aren't indicative of what we'll need to find Mr. Fenn's chest.

Hang in there sister, we've got a ways to go yet.

Just don't take anything the Trickster tells you at face value. Scratch at it a little bit and see what's underneath. He's actually attempting to be quite helpful, just in a very sly manner.

Doc
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