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Fundamental Design,

What your saying is a demonstration of the point I’ve made. The poem is a riddle so there is a contradiction with listing the word 'riddles' and the fact that a riddle is required to be solved to find the chest.

The book TTOTC is part of the treasure hunt. The poem is in the book. The 9 clues are in the poem. The poem is a riddle. The poem is part of the treasure hunt. The treasure hunt is a riddle.

Forrest said the construct he created needed ‘deciphering.’ In other words he said it’s a riddle.

Forrest intimated those words listed will not assist anyone to the treasure location. So taken literally having knowledge of riddles won’t assist: i.e. knowledge of riddles in general, knowledge of the poem riddle, knowledge of the hints in TTOTC or knowledge of the whole treasure hunt riddle won’t assist anyone to the treasure location. This is patently nonsense.

Then, later in the same text comes an example of the contradiction. It says TTOTC is an excellent research material. So presumably this, with the help of the poem riddle will assist people to find the treasure location. Remember also there are hints in TFTW to add to the riddle.

My point is simple. Once again: The poem / hints / Chase are a riddle. So a knowledge of riddles must assist Searchers to find the treasure location.

For this reason the list of words can’t be taken as gospel because the words ‘riddle’ and ‘code’ are included. These eliminate every possible Searcher solution. If you doubt this look up the definition of the words ‘riddle’ and ‘code’ in a dictionary.

If Searchers want to discount my solution because the word ‘cipher’ is listed that’s up to them but they must also eliminate all of their own solutions because ‘riddles’ and ‘codes’ are also listed.

Or, they can conclude the list of words is a mistake.
Horrible logic on your part. We've got a get out of jail free card and you don't. Keep believing you do. Can you find one other person that believes in your logic that the poem is included in that list?
If solutions encompassed by the words in the list aren't discounted when solving the poem clues and answers then 'ciphers' , 'riddles' and 'codes' aren't discounted from solving the poem clues and answers.

If these words are discounted then it's a nonsense contradiction because the poem is a riddle.

I think you need to stay in jail and spare us from these illogical contributions.
They're your illogical contributions. Remember I'm not the one that called my own clue one solution illogical...who does that and still thinks they are on the right path. Simply illogical.
(11-15-2015, 06:53 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]SamSmith,

Your basic premise is that I can’t be right because you’re right. There’s no further logic involved.
I’ve published my solution so all can see the logic, evidence and method behind it.

In contrast your output amounts to: ‘I know something you don’t, I bet you can’t guess what it is? I’m so clever, tee hee hee’

Rather than looking at my solution, the evidence behind it and how the directions I’ve revealed are very unlikely to be arrived at by chance your comments sound like the voice of envy.

It’s up to me how I disseminate the right solution to other Searchers and whether I charge for my e-book.

If you have found a key to unlock your solution then your solution is based on the construct being a RIDDLE so your solution is discounted by the list of words provided by Forrest if you believe this list should be taken as gospel.

Harry Fool,

It’s not a GPS code.

In my solution I’ve revealed a set of directions from a starting point. No place names are used in the geographical directions, just physical features and directions of travel.

Fundamental design,

What are you talking about? The list says a knowledge of RIDDLES will not assist anyone to the treasure chest location.

The construct of the poem / Thrill of the Chase treasure hunt is a RIDDLE.

So I would have said a knowledge of RIDDLES is absolutely essential in assisting a Searcher to the treasure chest location. So the list is flawed. It’s a mistake.

No one has said TTOTC, Google Earth and/or a good map aren’t good research materials? I used all of those to help solve the RIDDLE.

About what I expected from you Andy...You published your solution, right or wrong, to make money from it...That's fine by me but don't expect everyone to buy into it...Like I said I hope you make gobs of money from it...You will be the only one who does...

I haven't published mine for a very simple reason...It is too direct and straight forward in its reveal to hand it out to the general public...That would simply be foolish of me...

I have no basic premise behind what I found in the poem, it isn't a riddle either simply because I have found a key...The secret in the key is where and how to use it...It is a very basic design by the author which is hidden behind natural geographical terms and features...The poem is not what you believe it to be nor are the directions...The directions are what to do to solve the poem not where to go on the landscape...

I can honestly say as well that I envy you not at all...I find your audacity in claiming a right solution repugnant actually...I do not claim mine is the right one just yet, since I don't have the gold...That is a correctible situation...I did say however that I do know where to go look...This is a simple fact, not conjecture...The poem yielded that by name...

Can you honestly say that searchers have been within 200 ft of your spot?...Or that people continue to arrive there?...Or that they have no knowledge of the significance of the place?...Of mine there is no doubt that every comment and hint made by FF about the location is true and factual...But it is one that will simply never be guessed at...There is no way the search location actually fits the popular interpretations of the poem nor has it ever been mentioned anywhere, anytime...FF counted on that device and it has worked admirably...Fifteen years were not for naught and the last five years have proven this true...

Take care Andy and good luck to you in your sales...We will not be discussing your "solution" versus mine again...It's waste of my time and effort I believe...

Toodle-loo... Smile
what's the weather like in the Rockies between 5000-10200ft? is it cold/foggy/snowy/ or can you still hike the trails?

I am too lazy to research...please tell me the answers

Larsonist

(11-15-2015, 08:07 PM)mrmagicarovrumrebel Wrote: [ -> ]what's the weather like in the Rockies between 5000-10200ft? is it cold/foggy/snowy/ or can you still hike the trails? I am too lazy to research...please tell me the answers.

Sun block, too. And we don't use any trails here since FF said the chest is not near a trail, so you'd need your heavy duty flip-flops, the ones with cleats.
Samsmith,

Regarding your comments:

’I have no basic premise behind what I found in the poem, it isn't a riddle either simply because I have found a key...The secret in the key is where and how to use it...It is a very basic design by the author’

This means it’s a riddle. Have a look at a dictionary for the definition of ‘riddle’.

'You published your solution, right or wrong, to make money from it...That's fine by me but don't expect everyone to buy into it...Like I said I hope you make gobs of money from it’

Generally people who have read it understand it’s right. I published it to get more Searchers into the right search area to find the chest. I provided lots of answers for free on the Searcher blogs and my own blog (and similar to this bile and venom were spat at me for doing that) but then decided when publishing the whole thing I wasn’t going to give it all away. What a terrible man.

'Can you honestly say that searchers have been within 200 ft of your spot?...Or that people continue to arrive there?...Or that they have no knowledge of the significance of the place?'

Yes.
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