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(11-21-2015, 09:59 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Hammertime,

Forrest said solving the riddle would lead a Searcher straight to the chest. This suggests that a set of directions would be revealed within the output of solving the riddle.

To find the chest necessitates Forrest providing a set of directions with some level of accuracy. I don’t think Searchers could conjure up their own set of directions to achieve this level of accuracy.

I believe prior knowledge and guidance by Forrest to the location is required.

Forrest took 15 years to create the riddle precisely because he encoded a set of geographical directions proceeding in steps from a starting point to the location of the chest.

I don't think there is a code or cipher to be broken in order to lead you to the correct place. I think the poem tells a story. Consider that all stories occur in a time and a place. In other words they have a history and a geography. The poem is telling two stories. One is him hiding his treasure, the other is the one you need to figure out. The stories have different histories, but the same geography. The I in the poem is actually two people (two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead). He (the other "I") has gone alone in there, as I (Fenn) have gone alone in there. His secret "where" (geography) is hinted at with the story of riches new and old (history). In that way the poem is "straightforward" with no codes or ciphers.

“No Steve R,
The only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help.”

Figure out the story of "I" and you have the secret where.
Yoda such a fungi
(11-23-2015, 02:09 PM)Jack Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2015, 09:59 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Hammertime,

Forrest said solving the riddle would lead a Searcher straight to the chest. This suggests that a set of directions would be revealed within the output of solving the riddle.

To find the chest necessitates Forrest providing a set of directions with some level of accuracy. I don’t think Searchers could conjure up their own set of directions to achieve this level of accuracy.

I believe prior knowledge and guidance by Forrest to the location is required.

Forrest took 15 years to create the riddle precisely because he encoded a set of geographical directions proceeding in steps from a starting point to the location of the chest.

I don't think there is a code or cipher to be broken in order to lead you to the correct place. I think the poem tells a story. Consider that all stories occur in a time and a place. In other words they have a history and a geography. The poem is telling two stories. One is him hiding his treasure, the other is the one you need to figure out. The stories have different histories, but the same geography. The I in the poem is actually two people (two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead). He (the other "I") has gone alone in there, as I (Fenn) have gone alone in there. His secret "where" (geography) is hinted at with the story of riches new and old (history). In that way the poem is "straightforward" with no codes or ciphers.

“No Steve R,
The only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help.”

Figure out the story of "I" and you have the secret where.

Jack, that's the best post I've seen about what's lurking in the first stanza of the poem. I agree with your thoughts 100%.
(11-23-2015, 02:24 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2015, 02:09 PM)Jack Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2015, 09:59 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Hammertime,

Forrest said solving the riddle would lead a Searcher straight to the chest. This suggests that a set of directions would be revealed within the output of solving the riddle.

To find the chest necessitates Forrest providing a set of directions with some level of accuracy. I don’t think Searchers could conjure up their own set of directions to achieve this level of accuracy.

I believe prior knowledge and guidance by Forrest to the location is required.

Forrest took 15 years to create the riddle precisely because he encoded a set of geographical directions proceeding in steps from a starting point to the location of the chest.

I don't think there is a code or cipher to be broken in order to lead you to the correct place. I think the poem tells a story. Consider that all stories occur in a time and a place. In other words they have a history and a geography. The poem is telling two stories. One is him hiding his treasure, the other is the one you need to figure out. The stories have different histories, but the same geography. The I in the poem is actually two people (two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead). He (the other "I") has gone alone in there, as I (Fenn) have gone alone in there. His secret "where" (geography) is hinted at with the story of riches new and old (history). In that way the poem is "straightforward" with no codes or ciphers.

“No Steve R,
The only requirement is that you figure out what the clues mean. But a comprehensive knowledge of geography might help.”

Figure out the story of "I" and you have the secret where.

Jack, that's the best post I've seen about what's lurking in the first stanza of the poem. I agree with your thoughts 100%.

Yes I believe that is why it is all in the first stanza. It introduces the poem by hinting how to solve the clues. Parallel stories of two "I"'s which share the same geography.
Jack,

That’s all very well but I’ve already solved most of the riddle. I've generated a set of geographical directions using the Lewis & Clark cipher that can’t be generated by chance i.e. I’ve solved most of the riddle using this basis and method.

I wish folk would get away from thinking that the Lewis & Clark cipher solution is complicated. It isn’t.

Here’s an example I’ve given previously:

Forrest started with a line in a set of direction:

‘you will see a big lake’.

He changed this to ‘U C BYG LAK’ so that he could get a bunch of letters after encrypting it with a key-phrase that stated his legacy, in this case ‘INFAMY BOIND’ so the output looked like it meant something: ‘CHICKEN PEN’.

I--N-F-A-M-Y-B--O--U--N--D
---U-C-B-Y-G-L--A--K-

C-H-I--C-K-E-N--P--E-N-

Then he wrote a clue in the poem (no place for the meek) to point to this phrase (CHICKN PEN).

It would have been hard for Forrest to encrypt one meaningful phrase into another but the actual process isn’t complicated.

To reveal the directions Searchers must reverse what Forrest did. That is, they turn ‘CHICKEN PEN’ back into ‘U C BYG LAK’.

The clue is ‘no place for the meek’. The answer is ‘Chicken Pen’. the line of directions hidden underneath the text of the answer is ‘U C BYG LAK’.

There are 9 clues in the poem because he did this with 9 lines of original text.

P.S. The first stanza is irrelevant to the solution. It’s padding that jut sets the scene.
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No doubt

le Chef

(11-23-2015, 03:48 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Jack,

That’s all very well but I’ve already solved most of the riddle. I've generated a set of geographical directions using the Lewis & Clark cipher that can’t be generated by chance i.e. I’ve solved most of the riddle using this basis and method.

I wish folk would get away from thinking that the Lewis & Clark cipher solution is complicated. It isn’t.

It's too complicated for you to come back with a chest laden with gold no?
I don't normally feed trolls, but .........
I've solved more of the riddle than anyone else perhaps with the exception of the Searchers who are building on what I've provided, so other peoples solutions must be more complicated than mine.
Hey White,
Fenn can't understand your solve.
You are THAT special. Fenn has singled you out and told you.
I will say it one last time.
You have no understanding of our english language.
You have no understanding of our geography.
With all sincerity I would have ZERO CHANCE in your country.
So save some precious hours and stop posting, stop searching.
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