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Forrest stated I had a lot of the solution figured out. This means I've solved more of the riddle than anyone else that he's mentioned publicly. So I was able solve some of it (a lot of it). I not going to peddle that as a complete failure. A wise Searcher would take that on board and use that information for themselves.

As I've state endlessly I haven't solved all of it. Engaging others to try to solve the last part of the puzzle is anything but the act of a person who believes they are 'superior'. I'm saying someone else will likely do a better job than me with what I've provided. It just happened that my mind worked the right way for the first part of the puzzle.

The fact that Forrest made that radio show statement about my solution has already proved you wrong unless the bulk of your solution is the same as mine.

Forrest said those things on the radio, recorded as an audio file. This is markedly different to him saying something 'apparently'.




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(11-27-2015, 08:06 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Harry Fool, PL289,njfl,

I don’t know if this is trolling, desperation to be right with your own solutions or a kind of denial about the validity of my solution.

Forrest said I had ‘a lot of it figured out’ started to say ‘I think’ then as an afterthought said ‘maybe’. He said this in response to Richard Eeds’ question about the Chase / poem. So that was the ‘it’ he was talking about.

It’s strange that some folk are trying desperately to interpret this in a different way by suggesting ‘it’ was a subject that was nothing to do with the conversation Forrest and Eeds were having; for example the ‘it’ must have been how to cook a Thanksgiving turkey.

Just swallow the pill.

Why would Forrest say anything at all about my solution. He hasn’t said anything about your solutions. Why would he give my solution air-time if he didn’t think it had validity?

The only concrete fact is that he said I ‘had a lot of it figured out’. No one forced him to say this and it would be an odd way to try to undermine my solution if he thought it was wrong. There would be much simpler and more negative ways he could have done that if that was his intention. Of course the words he used would suggest to a sensible person that his intention was positive regarding my solution.

HarryFool,

You want to move on from cipher based solutions so don’t let us stop you. Move on to other threads that aren’t titled ‘the cipher debate’. No need to post on this thread.
A. Your solution isn't valid because if it was you would have the chest and you don't/can't. This hard sell is your own desperation to be right because your ego won't let you admit you're wrong or that Fenn played you for a fool.
Your not right so just swallow the pill.
B. If you insist that your solution is valid then you must refund book money to the searchers that try use your solution and fail to find the chest otherwise it's mail fraud.
C. How do you know that Fenn didn't say anything about my solution? Are you privy to my personal emails? How pompous and arrogant to say such a thing.
D. Why are you still here anyway?
E. Again, Fenn never said you figured out anything in the actual POEM. Just swallow the pill.
Forrest Fenn chose this solution out of gazillions because it's correct. He then follows up by suggesting it doesn't lead to the chest.

Because it doesn't lead to the chest doesn't invalidate the findings.

1. His solution is correct.
2. It doesn't lead to the chest.

It's a public message for everyone's benefit.

It's that simple. And that hard.

I'm hugely grateful for White Knight's finding and posting his solution, regardless if he charges for it or not because I'm well aware I had zero chance of ever discovering it. The same goes for Wild Goose's grid of letters and djjmcv's morse code. They just found it too early and have people up in arms because they're codes and ciphers.

Hang in there folks. We've been fooled in more ways than one.

In a good way. Smile

Doc
(11-27-2015, 04:46 PM)Doc Wrote: [ -> ]Forrest Fenn chose this solution out of gazillions because it's correct. He then follows up by suggesting it doesn't lead to the chest.

Because it doesn't lead to the chest doesn't invalidate the findings.

1. His solution is correct.
2. It doesn't lead to the chest.

It's a public message for everyone's benefit.

It's that simple. And that hard.

I'm hugely grateful for White Knight's finding and posting his solution, regardless if he charges for it or not because I'm well aware I had zero chance of ever discovering it. The same goes for Wild Goose's grid of letters and djjmcv's morse code. They just found it too early and have people up in arms because they're codes and ciphers.

Hang in there folks. We've been fooled in more ways than one.

In a good way. Smile

Doc
Doc,
Fenn tells a lot of people in emails that he likes their solves. Read the recent post by Southern Belle on TTOTC blog (Mike's). Fenn said he liked her solve and she says her solve is the correct one because Fenn asked her permission to post it on Dal's blog. So now both her and WK can't be right now can they? And let's not forget Christine. She spent 2 days with the chest and plans to go back and get it. And Pam published her "correct" solve too.

Ad nauseum
Its real simple. If Brigg's cipher solution is correct in any way then F is a liar cause he said no codes or ciphers and dont mess with my poem. He also said he would neither help nor hinder any searcher with their solve.

The "maybe" disclaimer to Briggs having it mostly right is there and places a huge question mark over Brigg's solve. It casts doubt and IMHO kills off his solve. Just cause F had a hard time picking the right words when under pressure on the radio show does not alter the facts.

F never chose that solution, the radio show mentioned Briggs solve and asked F about it.

If despite all this you believe Brigg's solve has any credence and just needs more tweaking then go for it! Its your time and money at the end of the day.
It seems he encourages everyone in their solves, unless it's dangerous.
@White Knight

You've said this lately to other searchers and myself: "To my knowledge ff hasn't mentioned your solution anywhere or the multitude of other solutions that are incorrect." And I replied back to you that ff has mentioned a major component of my solution in public. It's as big a component as your cipher is for your solution and resulted in ff stating "the treasure may be discovered sooner than I anticipated." And did you notice the same word being used in there..."may be". So ff has said this same kind of validation to other searchers before he said what he did about your solution. I know that this statement by ff isn't about your solution because you haven't figured out how I could have the most valuable part of my solution stated in public by ff and he not mention my name while still knowing I'm being referenced. If you did the same thing as me in getting the info to ff secretly then you would know that the gist of my solution has been talked about positively by ff to the same level like he has for yours.

Then you said "The fact that Forrest made that radio show statement about my solution has already proved you wrong unless the bulk of your solution is the same as mine". One can obviously see that I can say the same thing to you as I know ff mentioned the above quote BEFORE he mentioned your stuff in the Santa Fe radio interview. Therefore, using your lame argument, mine carries more weight because it was said nearly 18 months before yours. One more thing, you stated "why would he give my solution airtime if he didn't think it had validity?" So I can say why would ff give a major component of my solve validity by putting it on a major Chase website.

What's more is that your solution uses the secret ingredient from my solution that ff revealed. So, you sound pretty dang silly when you state there's no other searchers that are ahead of you.

So which of my two statements is more of a joke or a deluded fantasy? The one from the other day where I said I bet ff has sit in his home and heard my name spoken and followed by who is a great treasure hunter or that ff has publicly commented on a major component of my solution publicly on a major Chase website? I'll bet you on either one. And I hope you make the stakes well worth it.
Another nail in the coffin to Briggs solution: F recently said he thinks searchers have solved the first four clues but he cannot be sure. So by that count if you think your solution is mostly right how come only 4 clues right (less than half!) and F is not entirely sure when your solve is supposedly completely correct until the very end.

At best (and thats being highly optimistic) you are not even half right (and nor is anyone else). In reality you are more likely 1000+ miles away from the chest IMHO.
@HarryFool

I asked the same question to WK recently and he will reply the same as he did to me no doubt which is below...lmao.

SAYING 4 CLUES ARE SOLVED DOESN’T MEAN THE OTHER 5 AREN’T. AS I’VE I SAID BEFORE ON THIS THREAD, IN MY VIEW FORREST LIKES TO GIVE SEARCHERS THE IMPRESSION THEY’RE MAKING STEADY PROGRESS AND THE NEXT STEP IS CLOSE AND ATTAINABLE. 400FT FROM CHEST 200FT FROM CHEST. 2 CLUES SOLVED 4 CLUES SOLVED.
(11-27-2015, 11:18 PM)HarryFool Wrote: [ -> ]Another nail in the coffin to Briggs solution: F recently said he thinks searchers have solved the first four clues but he cannot be sure. So by that count if you think your solution is mostly right how come only 4 clues right (less than half!) and F is not entirely sure when your solve is supposedly completely correct until the very end.

At best (and thats being highly optimistic) you are not even half right (and nor is anyone else). In reality you are more likely 1000+ miles away from the chest IMHO.

4 clues or 8 clues... it doesn't matter unless you UNLOCK all "9" clues and Go right to IT! And still unlocking all the clues doesn't matter either... You still have an S-LOAD of Terrain to scan thru.... Take some sandwiches, sleeping bag, tent with an electric fence to deter Mr. Brown from having you as a late night snack.. because its going to take WEEKS to scan thru your target area even with the right clues.
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