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(11-27-2015, 11:28 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]@HarryFool

I asked the same question to WK recently and he will reply the same as he did to me no doubt which is below...lmao.

SAYING 4 CLUES ARE SOLVED DOESN’T MEAN THE OTHER 5 AREN’T. AS I’VE I SAID BEFORE ON THIS THREAD, IN MY VIEW FORREST LIKES TO GIVE SEARCHERS THE IMPRESSION THEY’RE MAKING STEADY PROGRESS AND THE NEXT STEP IS CLOSE AND ATTAINABLE. 400FT FROM CHEST 200FT FROM CHEST. 2 CLUES SOLVED 4 CLUES SOLVED.

I agree WK is delusional!
I'm of the opinion White Knight's solution is correct. It's gone as far as it's going to go for the time being. White Knight is completely convinced the set of geographic directions are supposed to lead him to the chest.

That's perfectly okay with me.

I'm not spending any time on it. It's correct--I understand what it represents. And it ain't gonna help us find the chest. Nothing else needs to be done with it for the time being.

The business about 'no clues or ciphers' is most definitely a lie, but not in a malicious way.

It's just part of the puzzle that has to be figured out.

Doc
Ah but F has made multiple statements in addition to "no codes or ciphers":

1) poem is straightforward
2) do not mess with my poem
3) show it to a child (like children can do ciphers for sure!)

If it is cipher based, F's reputation is gone and he may be sued for misrepresentation as well.

It is almost certainly not cipher based. Prove me wrong if you like but its your time and money!
Harry Fool,

I’ve rubbished that list of exclusions - see many previous posts.

As I keep saying I haven’t 'messed with the poem'. In my solution the poem remains as written.


Fundament

At least now you’ve agreed Forrest talked positively about my solution to a significant level.

Also, if you’re saying my solution uses the secret ingredient used in your solution then now you’re saying I’ve got some of it right whereas previously you were saying I’d got all of it wrong.

Where’s the document where Forrest has named you or another Searcher and said you have a lot of the riddle figured out?

Doc,

You’re doing a great disservice to Searchers by implying my solution is correct but isn’t required to find the chest. As I’ve said before, the only reason Forrest would spend 15 years encrypting a set of geographical directions is that they lead to something important – the chest.

The entire Chase is based on the geographical directions. To create the riddle Forrest worked backwards from the geographical directions - to the answers – to the clues – to the poem – to the book TTOTC.

To reiterate: Forrest formed the poem around the clues to give the answers that would then provide the geographical directions. He then put the poem in a book TTOTC and provided hints in that book and TFTW to help Searchers solve the clues in the riddle and find the chest.

You’re trying to say these geographical directions / poem / TTOTC aren’t important when the whole construct is based on the geographical directions for the purpose of allowing a Searcher to find the chest. That’s what the riddle is there to do – to provide geographical directions to find the chest.

Trying to dismiss as irrelevant the whole Chase construct is ridiculous - it's a nonsense. That would mean Forrest spent 15 years working on something that was irrelevant.

I’m not sure what your agenda is but your comments aren't helping Searchers to find the chest. I can only guess it’s something on the lines of: ‘that solution is dead so everyone should move on to my solution’.
Andy I really admire your tenacity in supporting your solve but I will add my voice to the others saying it is incorrect.

The most important comment Forrest said about your solve comes at the beginning of the radio show. The host talks about your solve and then Forrest says that your name needs to be added to the list of searchers who have presumed to correctly identify the clues.

Then when pressed by the host what he thinks of the solution he says you have a lot figured out, maybe...

He already said in his opening remarks that you along with all the other searchers on the list who have claimed to have a complete or nearly complete solve are wrong. He's just yanking your chain with the follow up remarks.

I think you're doing a great disservice to other searchers by being so dogmatic in your claim that you have most of the riddle solved. Clearly your opinion on this matter will never change until the correct solution is revealed so any further debate is pointless.

At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding - and you don't have the pudding.
(11-28-2015, 06:32 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Doc,

You’re doing a great disservice to Searchers by implying my solution is correct but isn’t required to find the chest. As I’ve said before, the only reason Forrest would spend 15 years encrypting a set of geographical directions is that they lead to something important – the chest.



I’m not sure what your agenda is but your comments aren't helping Searchers to find the chest. I can only guess it’s something on the lines of: ‘that solution is dead so everyone should move on to my solution’.
Any solution used would produce the same result. It doesn't matter whose it is.

11-17-2015, 01:49 PM,
#262
YOU wrote:
The ones who have digested it all still need to work out their own interpretation for the last part of my solution to take them to a spot that I haven’t thought of.

That means your solution is dead in the water and isn't needed at all.
I can take anyone's solution and change the end. Thank you again. Now all those who read this know the truth by your own statement.

This is so much fun and winter's just begun. Hehehe.

Everyone should follow their own solution.
@ WK
If you want to help searchers please list all of the spots you have thought of so they won't waste their time and money searching for the chest for you.
(11-28-2015, 06:32 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Harry Fool,

I’ve rubbished that list of exclusions - see many previous posts.

As I keep saying I haven’t 'messed with the poem'. In my solution the poem remains as written.

Well lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a cipher and you have the correct one (we can dream OK).

Would you not agree that simply feeding the lines of the poem in order through the cipher should yield a correct and unambiguous path to the chest? Should it not provide clear answers to each of the nine clues?

If that is not the case and especially if you are relying on fragments from all kinds of places (even outside of the poem) to get you "answers", then surely you can see that the solution is not practical?

How can they possibly be in the right order and how would you know which fragments to use and when?

How many hoops did you have to jump through to even get where you are?

(note I have not seen your solution nor do I have your book so pardon my ignorance of what you actually used)
(11-28-2015, 01:39 AM)Doc Wrote: [ -> ]I'm of the opinion White Knight's solution is correct. It's gone as far as it's going to go for the time being. White Knight is completely convinced the set of geographic directions are supposed to lead him to the chest.

That's perfectly okay with me.

I'm not spending any time on it. It's correct--I understand what it represents. And it ain't gonna help us find the chest. Nothing else needs to be done with it for the time being.

The business about 'no clues or ciphers' is most definitely a lie, but not in a malicious way.

It's just part of the puzzle that has to be figured out.

Doc

You're peeling onions Doc! And making others cry.
But they'll get IT when they get it.
Wild Goose,

The key is Forrest has not implied my entire solution is wrong. Indeed, I have presumed to know the clues. That doesn’t mean I’ve got them wrong. Forrest says I’ve figured out a lot of the riddle which ‘presumably’ includes the clues as these come at the start of riddle.


Njfl,

You can take anyone’s solution and change the end but for other solutions that doesn’t make the bulk part prior to the end correct.

Searchers that follow my solution are quite rightly searching to claim the chest for themselves. My e-book includes maps to show the search area and the spots I’ve visited within the area. Searchers can see where I’ve been. I can’t be much more helpful that that.

Harry Fool,

How many times do I have to say it. I’m not touching the lines of the poem or feeding them through a cipher.

There are clear answers to the nine clues – When these are deciphered they generate the geographical directions some of which are crystal clear some of which would probably have been clear to Forrest but are as clear as mud to me. The muddy bit is the part I’m having problems with.

The nine clues are listed in order in the poem, the answers are in this order so the geographical directions deciphered from the answers remain in that order.

The reason there are nine clues is that Forrest started with nine lines of text that described the geographical directions. Each of these lines of directions was converted in steps back to one of the nine clues.

You need to ask yourself: When starting with the set of geographical directions how would Forrest disguise them to get back in a series of steps to the nine clues listed in the poem?

The given text of the poem /nine clues aren’t the geographical directions. The riddle took 15 years to create. As I said, what steps did he use that took him 15 years to get back from the geographical directions he had decided on for finding the chest to the text of the nine clues he listed in the poem?

Most Micky Mouse solutions can account for about three hours of Forrest’s time.
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