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(11-06-2015, 12:13 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.

@White Night, once again here's that same question and ff's answer from his recent interview and below is your answer that you mention your first clue is illogical. I don't know how that makes anything I've said incorrect or illogical. And I surely didn't see anything you posted that clears up this conundrum of yours. Still waiting...........

(11-06-2015, 01:34 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]This is illogical. If someone has solved the first four clues then they must know they’ve solved the first clue.

Still waiting.......
I just want to show how ridiculous the "Andy Briggs" comment by Fenn is

Richard 6:27 I got this email couple weeks ago that I forwarded to you from a gentleman by the name of Andy Briggs out of the United Kingdom who is very well known as an author does science fiction and comic books and creates all these characters, he's well known. He's not I don't think your average crackpot that comes over to your house knocking on your door in the middle of the night asking you for you know a tenth clue. Um he's well known, but he sent me this email saying he had come up with THE code word, that if you overlay it on all I guess all of your poems and everything that he, he said could lead somebody but he couldn't come up with that final piece and so he wanted to open Forrest said make it available to everybody. You're familiar with this guy right?
Forrest 7:09 Yes I am, and his name must be added to those who have presumed to know the clues in the poem
Richard 7:14 So he's one of many?
Forrest 7:16 he's one of many yeah
Richard 7:17 I see right, So I sent you this email
Forrest 7:19 But But he's pretty bright guy he's a lot a, got a lot of it figured out, I, maybe
Richard 7:24 ok So he's not, he's not completely coo coo... did, did from what you can tell has he, has he found is there well I'm not going to ask you because you won't tell me If there's some kind of code word that could unravel this whole thing you wont tell me
Forrest 7:41 Well there are so many people out there that know a little bit about it but but not a lot, but there, there are a few getting close.
Richard 7:48 Really? From what you guys can tell I, it.. Dal you get, you get......
****time passes*****
Richard 35:53 Alright, Andy, Andy, Andy Briggs the guy from United kingdom, the author who said he's found a code word. You overlay the code word, it solves the entire riddle, with the exception of one small thing that he couldn't quite get.
Forrest 36:07 Well I tell ya, I could not find the treasure uhh after reading his mail, his email about his solve
Richard 36:15 right
Forrest 36:16 uh, I just couldn't do it. But the, the treasure is there waiting for the right person and Dal said he's been a hunting for it for 60 years I
Richard 36:24 66 times
Forrest 36:25 Yeah he
Richard 36:26 66 trips is that right....
http://santafe.com/podcasts/forrest-fenn...on-gaspard

Conclusion: from fenn's mouth you have 7:09 NO, (being polite) 7:19 Maybe (backtracking so as not to offend), 36:07 NO (being very clear), and 36:16 NO (making it very clear). White knight, you should consider yourself lucky to have such a decisive declaration that you solve ain't worth a crap
(11-29-2015, 05:17 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]Njfl,

I’ve published my solution and told people what precise area the chest is in. I’m trying to get folk to search in that area.

By encouraging a Searcher to concentrate on that area I’m reducing my own chances of finding the chest but that’s fine as long as someone finds it.

So how does that fit with you theory that my intention is just to fund my next search? My next search would be carried out within the same area highlighted in my solution.

Any spot I visit may already have been targeted by another searcher and the chest found. Your Troll logic is flawed.
Let's talk precision.
A. Show me the documentation where Fenn tells everyone the EXACT state the treasure is in.
B. Show me the documentation where you guarantee that someone using your solution will find the treasure since you're encouraging people to look in your area and you claim it's the precise area that the chest is in without proof.
C. Show me the documentation that you will seek no part of the treasure nor receive any compensation from the finder if the treasure is found in your area since you can't find it yourself.
D. Show me the documentation that you will sign away your copyright to the finder since the finder must use their own conclusion and will want to publish it.
E. Show me the documentation that you will sign a gag order prohibiting you from ever talking about the solution, find, area, or anything about the treasure in public.
F. Show me the documentation that guarantees people will get their book money and search expenses returned to them if they use your solution and don't find the treasure since you're claiming a precise area and accuracy of your solution for which there is no proof.
You wouldn't begrudge people some protection now would you? Show the chase world how much faith you have in your solution and what Fenn said.
Harry Fool,

How many times do I have to say ‘how many times do I have to say this?’ My entire solution is based on the poem. I haven’t changed the text or structure of the poem from that as given. The nine clues in the poem are the start of the solution.

I have answered the nine clues. A couple of the answers tell the Searcher to source information from elsewhere. The whole thing is directed by the clues in the poem. So following the instructions that lead on from the clues in the poem means it’s only required to answer the clues in the poem to solve the riddle.

Fundament,

I’m still waiting for you to read my previous posts. It’s all there.

Decall,

Yet again I’ve said all this but I guess I’ll have to keep repeating it until the Trolls give up in humiliation and embarrassment.

’ his name must be added to those who have presumed to know the clues in the poem’

As I said before (very, very recently on this thread) I have presumed to know the clues. Doesn’t mean I’ve got theme wrong. He says I’ve figured a lot of it out which means that includes the clues as these come at the start of the riddle.

’ he's pretty bright guy he's a lot a, got a lot of it figured out, I thi--, maybe’

He started to say I think then said maybe as an afterthought. It wasn’t sarcasm. The curtailed ‘I think’ shows that he wasn’t being sarcastic. It would be an odd way to undermine or be negative about an incorrect solution. Why would he use the phrase ’lot of it figured out’?

’Well I tell ya, I could not find the treasure uhh after reading his mail, his email about his solve’

Correct. Of course he couldn’t. The whole point is that I couldn’t find the chest with my solution as it stands because the end bit is wrong. Otherwise I would have found it.

Searchers can decide for themselves how to interpret Forrest’s comments on the radio show. Its here:

http://treasurehuntsolution.blogspot.co.uk/

Njfl

A. Forrest says it’s in one of four states including Wyoming.

B. My e-book shows what I believe is the bulk of the correct solution. I couldn’t solve the last bit so there’s no guarantee anyone else will, but I think it’s likely they will. If I could guarantee that Searchers would find the chest I could guarantee that I’d find it.

C. Stated this on this thread and in e-book. Try reading what I post.

D. I don’t think you understand what Copyright is.

E. I’ve published an e-book about it you fool.

F. What is this nonsense. Searchers can decide for themselves about my solution and it’s validity. I believe I’ve got the bulk of it right. There are no guarantees. Just as there are no guarantees they can solve the last bit, or the chest hasn’t been abducted by aliens or the chest hasn’t already been found. It wouldn’t be possible for all the Searchers with the same e-book to all claim the chest at the same time.


Your logic is feeble. It’s the output of a Troll that’s running out of poison but keeps spitting.
listen troll dung
I'm trying to get it through your thick head that you have NO solve.
You have nothing
You are ignoring the entire message from fenn.
Let him be.

WK is using some stuff outside the poem in his cipher when F has said you only need the poem.

WK is using a cipher when F has said there are no codes or ciphers that will help you get the chest.

WK is misinterpreting what F said on the radio interview and is a victim of Fenn speak

WK is delusional and suffers a classic case of confirmation bias in his solve.

Im done with this BS thread. Have fun everyone!
Harry Fool,

As you say, no need for you to post on this thread again. One Troll down. Bye.

Decall,

The language of a true Troll. Why are you still here in this thread? Go play with your friend Harry Fool. You’re compatible in every way (by the way, that’s not a compliment).

P.P.S. I don't need to interpret what Forrest said. He said I'd figured a lot of the riddle out. That's as clear as day. It's others who are trying to 'interpret' that.

I've rubbished the list of words that includes riddles, codes and ciphers before .

You only need the poem as the basis, as all the clues are in the poem.
(11-30-2015, 01:13 AM)decall Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to show how ridiculous the "Andy Briggs" comment by Fenn is

Richard 6:27 I got this email couple weeks ago that I forwarded to you from a gentleman by the name of Andy Briggs out of the United Kingdom who is very well known as an author does science fiction and comic books and creates all these characters, he's well known. He's not I don't think your average crackpot that comes over to your house knocking on your door in the middle of the night asking you for you know a tenth clue. Um he's well known, but he sent me this email saying he had come up with THE code word, that if you overlay it on all I guess all of your poems and everything that he, he said could lead somebody but he couldn't come up with that final piece and so he wanted to open Forrest said make it available to everybody. You're familiar with this guy right?
Forrest 7:09 Yes I am, and his name must be added to those who have presumed to know the clues in the poem
Richard 7:14 So he's one of many?
Forrest 7:16 he's one of many yeah
Richard 7:17 I see right, So I sent you this email
Forrest 7:19 But But he's pretty bright guy he's a lot a, got a lot of it figured out, I, maybe
Richard 7:24 ok So he's not, he's not completely coo coo... did, did from what you can tell has he, has he found is there well I'm not going to ask you because you won't tell me If there's some kind of code word that could unravel this whole thing you wont tell me
Forrest 7:41 Well there are so many people out there that know a little bit about it but but not a lot, but there, there are a few getting close.
Richard 7:48 Really? From what you guys can tell I, it.. Dal you get, you get......
****time passes*****
Richard 35:53 Alright, Andy, Andy, Andy Briggs the guy from United kingdom, the author who said he's found a code word. You overlay the code word, it solves the entire riddle, with the exception of one small thing that he couldn't quite get.
Forrest 36:07 Well I tell ya, I could not find the treasure uhh after reading his mail, his email about his solve
Richard 36:15 right
Forrest 36:16 uh, I just couldn't do it. But the, the treasure is there waiting for the right person and Dal said he's been a hunting for it for 60 years I
Richard 36:24 66 times
Forrest 36:25 Yeah he
Richard 36:26 66 trips is that right....
http://santafe.com/podcasts/forrest-fenn...on-gaspard

Conclusion: from fenn's mouth you have 7:09 NO, (being polite) 7:19 Maybe (backtracking so as not to offend), 36:07 NO (being very clear), and 36:16 NO (making it very clear). White knight, you should consider yourself lucky to have such a decisive declaration that you solve ain't worth a crap

@White Knight,
What is this code word about that the interviewer says twice that you came up with?
Fundament,

Look at my previous posts or my blog comments:

http://treasurehuntsolution.blogspot.co.uk/

It would have been sensible to have looked at those before making all of your previous comments.
@White Knight
It would be sensible if you have published most of your solution and are trying to help other searchers to find the tc that you could answer a few simple questions instead of hiding behind answers like your last above. I mean do your blog posts or previous comments here mention the interview that I referenced of Decall's and the use of a code word mentioned by the radio interviewer? I don't see that here and others can see it's not here. I'm not gonna research your blog because I don't have to. You entered the public discussion here about your solution so here is where the discussion will take place.
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