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(12-04-2015, 03:21 PM)mountain digger Wrote: [ -> ]@seeker9,

Yep, sounds kinda strange when you put it like that.LOL BTW, I was referring to me not being so stupid or arrogant. I'm sure there are others that might be that stupid and arrogant.

But say you publish a CORRECT SOLVE and you make big $s (or not so big bucks) from the sale of your CORRECT SOLVE seeker9, and then it's happens to be an INCORRECT SOLVE and you get sued for 1 million US bucks by one or all of those who believed your advertising HYPE when they bought your CORRECT SOLVE. Oh no...might turn out to be STUPID to have published and then hyped it as "THE CORRECT SOLVE, you think?

Now, put that thinking cap on come up with a hypothesis, theory, supposition, GUESS, etc. like all the solves that have been published to date FOR PROFIT or not.
IMO everyone should treat any published for profit e book solution like buying a used car. How many people trust used car salesmen?
(12-04-2015, 01:58 PM)Seeker9 Wrote: [ -> ]Has, Forrest publicly commented on your solve, mountain digger? No?Hmm, i guess we know which way it's not going.I commented on this because so far I've only seen two solves posted, that in the immediate aftermath led to some curious blog activity.Forrest always uses tricky wordplay when answering questions about the chase.

He did comment publicly to mine...as stated above.
(12-04-2015, 07:11 PM)Seeker9 Wrote: [ -> ]I missed that, Fundamental.What was Forrest' comment on your solve,if you don't mind me asking?

When ff said a few are in tight focus with a word that is key. A lot of scrambling around after that doozy.
(12-04-2015, 08:37 PM)Seeker9 Wrote: [ -> ]I had no idea that was you.My hats off to ya.Btw, what was the word?

That will be forthcoming...
(12-04-2015, 12:25 PM)Seeker9 Wrote: [ -> ]The fact F says he has a lot of it figured out is enough of a statement to take notice.I've never heard F say that about anyone else who has provided him with a solve.If a cipher wasn't needed, F could have used the oppurtunity to reiterate that fact, but he didn't.After the radio interview I posited a couple questions on the other blog that went unanswered/ignored, so I felt like maybe something to this.I still haven't decided on the validity of the White knights solve, but its been the best(even incomplete) that I've seen so far.I think some ppl are jealous they didn't come up with this clever of a solve on their own, and are wandering around the forest looking for christmas colored omegas, and a mere 200ft from glory.Goodluck ,WK, I hope you post more of your interesting finds

I have some swamp land to sell you Seeker9 . Smile

That phrase keeps coming to mind. Now,what was it ? Oh yes. "Publicity seeking Hustler looking for his five minutes of fame."
Has a ring to it. Smile
@deb
Remember, anyone who challenges, criticizes or disagrees with The White Wash gets called a troll.

Tony

TWK,

I don't have your book and am not sure about your solve being valid or not, but I am glad you at least back yourself up with some logic unlike the many trolls on this forum. I also do not care that you are profiting from the chase, kudos to you, it is not any different than that jackass Dal does.

I have come to the conclusion that this blog, like all the other blogs, is unfortunately loaded with bitter people who have been looking for 5 years and still came up short Tongue So instead of having an adult conversation to discuss the validity of a solve, they would rather become condescending douchebags and troll the shit out of it! Ignore these fools (funny how one of them even has Fool in his name), they are just pissed off because after years of looking they have NOTHING to show for it either Smile

Clearly some of them, fundemental comes to mind, did not even read anything you wrote! Plus I think you must have told Fool 100 times that you did not use any cipher om the poem itself, or the clues, only on the answers the searcher provides for the clues! For some reason, they can't wrap their little minds around the English language or logic!

Let the morons keep looking for weaping people at Vietnam statues in NM or blindly/raondomly running around the millions of creeks, lakes, and canyons in the Rokey Mountains! They are not intelligent enough to realize that the poem does NOT contain directions to the chest, it is a riddle that contains 9 clues that YOU, THE SEARCHER, need to solve in order to get directions to the chest! FF is right, all you need is the poem to get the clues, do not mess with THE POEM, but that will not lead you to the loot unless you can solve the riddle using the answers to the clues! They simply do not get it, just ignore the trolls, or better yet ignore these blogs filled with old women and men who come here to find clues because they have FAILED for years now to find the chest themselves!
(12-25-2015, 03:33 PM)Tony Wrote: [ -> ]TWK,

I don't have your book and am not sure about your solve being valid or not, but I am glad you at least back yourself up with some logic unlike the many trolls on this forum. I also do not care that you are profiting from the chase, kudos to you, it is not any different than that jackass Dal does.

I have come to the conclusion that this blog, like all the other blogs, is unfortunately loaded with bitter people who have been looking for 5 years and still came up short Tongue So instead of having an adult conversation to discuss the validity of a solve, they would rather become condescending douchebags and troll the shit out of it! Ignore these fools (funny how one of them even has Fool in his name), they are just pissed off because after years of looking they have NOTHING to show for it either Smile

Clearly some of them, fundemental comes to mind, did not even read anything you wrote! Plus I think you must have told Fool 100 times that you did not use any cipher om the poem itself, or the clues, only on the answers the searcher provides for the clues! For some reason, they can't wrap their little minds around the English language or logic!

Let the morons keep looking for weaping people at Vietnam statues in NM or blindly/raondomly running around the millions of creeks, lakes, and canyons in the Rokey Mountains! They are not intelligent enough to realize that the poem does NOT contain directions to the chest, it is a riddle that contains 9 clues that YOU, THE SEARCHER, need to solve in order to get directions to the chest! FF is right, all you need is the poem to get the clues, do not mess with THE POEM, but that will not lead you to the loot unless you can solve the riddle using the answers to the clues! They simply do not get it, just ignore the trolls, or better yet ignore these blogs filled with old women and men who come here to find clues because they have FAILED for years now to find the chest themselves!

Come on Tony...that's all you got? I didn't read anything of what Andy wrote? I remember reading when he debunked his own solution like 3 separate times. I'd call that using logic on my part as I'm the one that got Andy to call an important part of his solution illogical. Add in the fact I did read his remarks makes you 0 for 2...you don't want to strike out like Andy did.

Here's one specifically...

11-06-2015, 06:34 PM, #194

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RE: The White Knight - Andrew Briggs
This is illogical. If someone has solved the first four clues then they must know they’ve solved the first clue.
(11-06-2015, 03:36 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-06-2015, 02:31 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]You haven't tried to counter the logic that I've given above, so I don't quite see what you've debunked with your superior intellect.
I did counter the logic that you have above by clearly asking you when you will know for sure that your first clue is correct. And you replied that you already know. Then I asked you if you've seen Forrest's latest interview where he contradicts your logic/answer. You said no. Then I shared the link where it shows your solution, as you put it, as being illogical based on Forrest's statement that until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have the first clue right. Because I know everyone doesn't feel Forrest is being illogical. Case closed.

Might as well quote myself to show Tony more. Did you want to counter with some logic?

(11-06-2015, 03:36 PM)fundamental design Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-06-2015, 02:31 PM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]You haven't tried to counter the logic that I've given above, so I don't quite see what you've debunked with your superior intellect.
I did counter the logic that you have above by clearly asking you when you will know for sure that your first clue is correct. And you replied that you already know. Then I asked you if you've seen Forrest's latest interview where he contradicts your logic/answer. You said no. Then I shared the link where it shows your solution, as you put it, as being illogical based on Forrest's statement that until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have the first clue right. Because I know everyone doesn't feel Forrest is being illogical. Case closed.

Might as well quote myself to show Tony more. Did you want to counter with some logic.

(11-07-2015, 09:43 AM)The White Knight Wrote: [ -> ]How can someone randomly solve the 1st clue without knowing it, together with randomly solving clues 2,3 and 4 that are contiguous with the 1st clue and with each other, without knowing it? Solving a significant number of clues (e.g. the first 4 clues) can't be achieved by chance.

With this logic the person could randomly solve all nine clues without knowing it and without identifying any common theme amongst them. Then, they could randomly pick up the chest without knowing they'd picked it up.

Indeed how does a Searcher 'move with confidence' to the location of the chest if they don't know they've solved any clues before they retrieve the chest? For the Searcher who finds the chest 'Nothing will be down to chance'.

Well I know how to solve the above conundrum White Knight is in.

Tony

You are just mad you came up short too. His solve is no different than any other solve, until someone has the chest in hand the fact is their solve is wrong too. That is of course assuming the whole chase is not bullshit in the first place (I think it is real, but you never know).

Like I said I do not own Briggs book nor do I think you need a cipher to decode anything! That said, he did not use a cipher on the poem or the clues, he made this pretty clear!

What I *DO* agree with Briggs is that the clues in the poem do NOT describe geographical locations. To find the treasure, I believe that you need to:

1. Find the 9 clues in the poem
2. Solve each of the 9 clues
3. Follow the clue solutions (answers) to locate the chest

If you did not have to solve the clues, the treasure would have been located already IMO.

Are the choices Briggs made for clues correct? Who knows, no chest yet!
Are the answers to the clues given by Briggs correct? Who knows, no chest yet!
Is a cipher used at any point? I tend to think NO, but Forrest is slick with his wording. Andy did not mess with the poem or the clues, he used it on the solutions to the clues.

One thing for sure, his solution points to areas near Cody WY, and his solution is not the only one that leads to this area. In fact, just off the top of my head (this is not my solution, I am just making a point):

1. Begin it where warm waters halt: It could be said that warm water halts in a reservoir, Upper Sunshine Reservoir could be the start
2&3. And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk.: Drive south and follow Wood River Road which is in a canyon
4. Put in below the home of Brown: This could mean exit the road south of Brown Mountain
5&6. From there its no place for the meek, the end is ever drawing nigh: On Wood River Road, at Brown Mountain there is a ghost town named Kirwin, a ghost town is no place for the meek, note too that this is in HOT SPRINGS COUNTY which is a place where warm water halts Smile From here we will be heading east (to our left when facing south).
7. There will be no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and waters high: Cascade Creek is here, if looking south it goes east (to your left). But since he might mean do not take the creek, instead go towards the Kirin Mine, which is left/east of Kirwin. Heavy loads and waters high could be a reference to the river (Wood River), or one of the unnamed lakes near the mine, and heavy loads could refer to the metals that came from the mine shaft(s). It could also mean cross over the Kirwin Bridge (a foot bridge) that heads east.
8&9: Locate the blaze...etc...

Like I said this is not my solve, I am just making a point that with just the poem, I can lead us to this area!

Other worthwhile things to mention:
+ The Earhart cabin is north of this area and relevent to Fenn
+ We know Fenn is familiar with this area, and all of Cody to the north

All I know is that Andrew Briggs is not the only person looking around this area! So I do not see the point in trying to bash him since NOBODY has come up with the chest yet! Using just the answers to the clues provided by Briggs, even without trying to use the Jefferson Cipher, could in fact lead you here. 44N, 109W have been mentioned plenty of times by other searchers.

The question is how to narrow down the fractional location, 44/109 is obviously a large area and Fenn stated that you would be confident and walk right to it, that to me means the poem is deep and is not going to take you exactly there without solving the meaning of each of the 9 clues. There are simply too many places where WWH's for example, and almost all of them will lead to some canyon down, with a river/creek going nigh, etc. etc... Remember: For those of you who take Fenn's word as gospel, he claims you need nothing but the poem (and GE or a map would help). In other words no history of Fenn at all! In fact, you do not even need to know the altitude, 4 states, Fenn's address (so many of you assume he didnt travel far from his home, well you are not supposed to know where he lives, it isnt relevant accoring to Fenn). With that said, it is IMPOSSIBLE to take the poem itself and walk to a chest, you MUST dig deeper and provide answers to the clues that will give you geographic locations that are precise!

Edit: If you really are a purist, use NOTHING but the poem and a map (or GE).

Forget everything you know about Fenn and his history, remember, no books/videos/scrapbooks/posts or anything should be needed BUT THE POEM. Forget his history with art and artifacts, forget his places of residence, forget his history with Inidan lore, forget altitudes, the Spanish, the books, the pictures, the ID cards, Vietnam, Flying, Age, Earhart, Arrows, Baseball cards, etc! If you are using any of that information, you are being a hypocrit if you bash Briggs for using a Cipher at all, even if it wasnt on the poem itself.

Decoding word meanings in Spanish and relating them to the poem is not much different than using a simple substitution or Vigenere cipher. Forrest said do not mess with the poem, he never said do not mess with the answers to the clues themselves.

If you do all the above, you will quickly realize that without the background information, the poem itself is vague at its surface! It is NOT that simple, it took 15 years to make, right? But I suppose with brute force, enough people and time, you can attempt thousands of solves and walk them all on foot, so technically you do not need it. But realistically, the poem is deep and will require intelligence and knowledge of various things in order to solve it!

Technically we should not even need to know the altitude range, or the 4 states, or that he said it was in the Rocky Mountains! NONE of that is in the poem! Right? If he died the day he wrote the poem, before the book even came out, someone should be able to hand you the poem (without even mentioning Fenn) and you should be able to locate the chest! Now that is a purist buddy, and if you want to quote Fenn go ahead, but remember all he said you need is THE POEM, A MAP and/or GE. NOTHING ELSE!

So why is it that nobody is a purist? LOL
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