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superfly

Could someone please explain to me how "the white knight"...who claims to be Andy Briggs...who is supposedly Math teacher....and physist....who lives in England....would fail to reconcile
the fact such a person, with such teaching job, in such country would be living in such time zone with such time constraints when teaching and sleeping etc...that it would be "HIGHLY UNLIKELY" for such person to
be posting during the said hours that "the white knight" is?? "Andy Briggs" may not have the greatest solve in the world...but even he would
Be smart enough to reconcile the math on the time zones where he lives and sleeps...which don't seem to match "the white nights" posts....but DO explain "the white knights" failure to effectively provide logical or intelligent responses. Just an idea. Maybe it really is him and he just got brain damage after writing the book and beginning his posts here, but seems like two different ppl to me. The night being FAR MORE ignorant and uneducated than Briggs regardless of solve period.

Tony

I highly doubt it, and there is only 5 hours time difference from our east cost to his time. But why would someone even bother to do that? Why go to such great lengths to help someone else sell their book? To me Briggs is no different than anyone else who posted/sold a solution without having the chest in hand.

Hell I despise someone like Dal whos only existence is to capitalize on the chase more than Briggs. I would also say it is highly likely that Dal has profited more than anyone else on the chase! Why is that different than what Briggs (or others) do? In fact, it is even worse because Dal profits off the content provided by the people posting there, it is not even his content! ROFLMAO

Maybe Chase Chat should start selling books in addition to the ad revenue Big Grin
I have solved the first clue and I know it. I know it is 100% correct. Fenn's statement only means that I will not have proof that it is correct until I have the chest in hand... well, DUUUUHHHH!

It's only Fennspeak friends... only Fennspeak.

--TW
@Tony, I don't get where you come off saying posters are biitter or mad because we don't have the chest. That's got nothing to do with anything. I also don't get why you think we are bashing him. I personally, and others too, just tried to use logic to help White Knight take a refreshing look at his solution through other searchers' eyes. You think I'm mad and I bashed him and I showed proof above where White Knight bashed his own solution....so is White Knight bitter and mad at himself? You also have to follow the logic as you said in your first post we didn't use logic.

I'm perfectly happy in the Chase as you can witness in my Eureka thread. If White Knight wants to come across as never being wrong then that becomes where you should focus your anti bitter campaign at.

Tony

Like I said I do not agree with his means or solution, or what I know of it at least. He or anyone else can claim to never be wrong, but we both know that until someone has the chest in hand, they cannot prove it otherwise.

I don't see why people flamed him when many do exactly the same thing. I have read countless threads here, on dals, and other blogs where people are always claiming they have the exact solution! Yet, they all have one thing in common: No chest Smile

One thing for sure, if the directions to the chest were in plain sight within the poem, it would have been found within days or weeks. So the one thing I do agree with Briggs on is that the poem and clues within it do not provide directions. It provides a riddle or riddles for us to solve, and our solutions to them will reveal the precise chest location. The clues on the surface are far to vague to provide any precise location, for example as you know there must be thousands of locations in the Rocky Mountains where WWH, even when you pay attention to the context it is still far too vague.

We will never know until it is found, if the person who found it even wants to reveal it. FF has no control of it any longer. He tells so many stories, even disregarding Fennspeak it is hard to tell if he is rambling about his past, trying to give good hints, or just making it more difficult so that it takes longer to find.

He has done some pretty stupid things. For example when talking about people within 200 feet of the chest, we know at least one of them was female because he said something like "I know her, she would faint and then go crazy trying to retrace her steps". There are a lot of females looking for the chest, but clearly this one has spent time talking/emailing him or he would not have said that. Then you have his buddies like Dal and the people at the bookstore making huge profits off the chase, even if a mere 10% goes to charity it is still a hefty profit I am sure. Plus clearly he likes being in the spotlight, so I take this to mean he wants this chase to go on for a LONG time, and if anything he wants to throw everyone for a loop. Or of course it could all be bullshit, but I doubt it, unless he wants to be infamous instead of famous Smile
(12-27-2015, 12:06 PM)Tony Wrote: [ -> ]He has done some pretty stupid things.

And what was dumb about any of them? It's all part of Fenn's plan to confuse the hell out of anyone willing to listen. lol.

Tony

Right! I should have been more clear, I meant it to say it would be dumb to say unless he wanted to confuse people or take them off track.

Personally I think he knows some people (not me) are damn close to solving this, and he doesn't like that! LOL

If it is found there goes his legacy, nobody will care or even mention Fenn anymore. He wants to be grouped in with all the other unsolved mysteries IMO, if it is found sooner then he really has nothing because he is not the only person to hide millions and have it found or given away in their lifetime.
@Tony, I don't think anyone just focused on White Knights's solve as the one to be put up for scrutiny. Solves released here on Chasechat and sometimes Dal's have all had their time in the spotlight to be scrutinized and that's actually a good thing. I'll be posting my solve this summer. What do I care if some other searchers trash it or scrutinize it? If I can dish it out I can take it too.

One other thing, just because ff said the lady would faint if she knew and retrace her steps doesn't give a guarantee that she was one of the ones in the 200 foot club. That's jumping to conclusions the likes of which White Knight got caught up in with his explanations to support his solve.

superfly

(12-27-2015, 09:51 AM)Tony Wrote: [ -> ]I highly doubt it, and there is only 5 hours time difference from our east cost to his time. But why would someone even bother to do that? Why go to such great lengths to help someone else sell their book? To me Briggs is no different than anyone else who posted/sold a solution without having the chest in hand.

Hell I despise someone like Dal whos only existence is to capitalize on the chase more than Briggs. I would also say it is highly likely that Dal has profited more than anyone else on the chase! Why is that different than what Briggs (or others) do? In fact, it is even worse because Dal profits off the content provided by the people posting there, it is not even his content! ROFLMAO

Maybe Chase Chat should start selling books in addition to the ad revenue Big Grin


I'm not sure I understand. What's wrong with anyone profiting off the chase? As long as they're not hurting anyone in the process what's the issue with someone making money? I mean if these people think their solve is valuable why not sell it. Anyone that chooses to buy it obviously would like to read it. That's smart business and maybe helps fund a treasure hunting hobby they enjoy. Seems rather commendable to me.

And yes on a five hour time difference. Which places most of "the white knights" posts/conversations in the middle of his school day/middle of the night. Not likely times he would be reading blogs and responding consistantly back and forth as an english schoolteacher. Maybe it IS him...I don't really care either way....I jut noticed that and thought you guys might find it interesting. No matter to me either way.
Knighterrant you were asking about my past threads posts, so I thought I would bump one. This was the first big FF contradiction, for me at least. He commented on Andrew Briggs solve on a radio show, saying he has a lot of it right, maybe.......later saying you wouldn’t find the treasure using his solve. However, the uproar was instantaneous, because Briggs, aka White Knight used a complex cipher in his solve, and FF had specifically stated he would never comment on someone’s solve. White knight also had written a book, so FF’s comments I am sure positively influenced his book sales.

If you will notice the account is unregistered so you can’t search for my other threads that are alive and well on CC.....just FYI. Your simple inquiry and my answer caused another spiral of malice over on Harrys. Really thought JJ was smarter than this. Presby it is libel to post things that are not true.....and as a moderator I believe you are exposing yourself.
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