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What if "too far to walk" really contains plenty of good hints and good info? Forrest put out TTOTC and said it's full of subtle hints but as we've discovered, the entire book is full of false statements. Then he comes out with TFTW and says there are no clues except one unintentional clue.



In TTOTC, it's hard to even tell where the preface ends. In TFTW we have a foreward, preface, table of contents and numbered chapters. We have an easier way to go back and find a particular chapter if we need to in the new book.



Has anyone found any false statements in the new book? I found possible hints when I read it but I wasn't really looking for clues at the time. I think I might just give that book another look.



Forrest made it seem like TFTW was almost an afterthought. I wonder if he had both books written in advance and just wanted us to think that TFTW really didn't have anything to do with the chase.
Are we not confused enough already? LOL



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What if "too far to walk" really contains plenty of good hints and good info? Forrest put out TTOTC and said it's full of subtle hints but as we've discovered, the entire book is full of false statements.
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"We?" "We've discovered?" Who is this "we?" Can you give some examples of falsehoods in the book, please?


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What if "too far to walk" really contains plenty of good hints and good info? Forrest put out TTOTC and said it's full of subtle hints but as we've discovered, the entire book is full of false statements.
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"We?" "We've discovered?" Who is this "we?" Can you give some examples of falsehoods in the book, please?</div>
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The FOLLOWING is a RESPONSE from FORREST FENN in the "JASON and the ARGONAUTS" thread...



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I don't normally read the blogs but Stephanie alerted me to some problems and miss-information on chasechat. Perhaps it is prudent for me to make some clarifications. Where research has revealed discrepancies in what I have written, I apologize. Sometimes when the same question is asked months or years apart my answers may vary. You can blame those differences on my brain but not my heart. My mind has been known to malfunction and my memory detour from what I have said previously, and my mood may prompt snap statements that I later realized were off the mark. Please know that I am ambivalent about the treasure being found and that I will never consciously say anything that is designed to mislead or deter.







I would like to address statements that were made by bloggers who is unknown to me. I don’t mean to be critical, just want to clarify.







(1) When I receive a short, pleasant email from someone who signs their name and doesn’t ask a question I don’t want to answer, I will usually reply. I don’t read long emails and am not interested in individual religious beliefs.







(2) I was shot down in the Delta Region of South Vietnam on the 24th of August 1968 and again in Laos on the 20th of December 1968. If there is a discrepancy in the number of days in-between then I will admit to a math shortcoming. Sorry.







(3) H. L. Mencken did not originate the grave marker quote. He paraphrased it from a mid 18th century Frenchman’s story, or from several grave marker inscriptions in Louisiana. I stole it from a headstone during the Vietnam War.







(4) My flight logs reveal that I flew 328 combat missions. 274 in the F-100 and rest were with forward air controllers in small spotter aircraft. Those missions were to direct air strikes on enemy targets.







(5) I did take a dreaded brown bag lunch to school on several occasions.







(6) There have been examples where I spelled dollars, dollers. I confess to those errors, which still seem to be recurring problems when my typing talents outrun my thinking processes. There also are places in each of my books where I deliberately misspelled or made up words for effect. My books should not be used for research, they are for fun. That is why I don’t use footnotes or compile bibliographies.







(7) There are no clues in any of my videos, and I know nothing about cows in Chicago, except that one who got in a cab in 1948, and left me standing in the rain on State Street.







(8) College, Hmmm! When I attended Temple Junior College, it was a 2-year school but was not considered a college by the students. It was like high school, no one had to pre-register. I enrolled so I could play basketball for the Leopards. I remember attending some classes but not with any serious intent to learn, or to be hurt by what education I received. During my second year, I either dropped out or flunked out. Either way, it was of no consequence to me. The school is now Temple College and attitudes have changed.







(9) The beautiful treasure chest does in fact depict three-dimensional female figures climbing ladders. Some of the women are waving flags but there are no weapons and there is no siege.







I’ll quote from chasechat in red and speak freely since I don’t know the blogger. To reiterate, my motive is to clarify some points that seem to be important. I hope I don’t offend anyone.



*Note from me...Stephanie...below I'll underline what Forrest has said so it's easier to see what he's replied to as I can't put it in red like his email was.*



(10) “3. Fenn claims he found a “crudely made” stone grave marker The grave marker was very crudely made, as indicated in the drawing on page 95.



in Vietnam I did not say it was in Vietnam



that he attributes to a French soldier I did not attribute it to a French soldier. I have no idea who fashioned the grave marker.



who died during the French Indochina War in 1947…..But but but the words on the stone grave were in ENGLISH!! And a quote from H. L. Mencken on less! The quote probably is not from H.L. Mencken.And how in hell can he consider it a ‘crudely made’ stone grave marker if it had arching English words written on it?!?!? The words were not written on the marker, they were crudely chiseled in, perhaps with a sharp stone. To me that sounds pretty elaborate! It was not elaborate at all. Why would the French bury one of their soldiers and mark the grave with arcing English words?” I did not say the French buried the soldiers. I have no idea who buried them.







(11) 4 Fenn’s mission count….this is all over the map….



page 76 = 274 This is correct, I flew 274 in the F-100 as stated in the book.







page 78 = 326 This is correct. I had flown 326 at that point, and then flew 2 more, as stated in the book.







305 I don’t know where this number came from. There is no page number.







Page 96 = 328 This figure is correct as explained above.







(12) Fenn claims he took pictures of the parachute above him and the jungle below….What!?! That is correct, and I also got a photo of my plane as it hit a Karst and exploded







On page 84 Fenn says he ejects at what he thought was 1,000 feet. Yes, that was a judgment call on my part but I had no way of knowing my altitude above the trees at that time.







On page 87 the F-100 he was in crashes ½ way up a stone bluff at “1,000 feet. I think she means the F-100 he had been in, because I had already ejected when it hit the bluff.







Ejecting from a crippled F-100 at 1,000 feet with a nominal parachute decent rate of 25 feet/second would give about 40 seconds before hitting the ground, So all of this taking pictures on the way down after bailing out doesn’t seem to make sense. I’ll admit to knowing very little about feet/seconds but my memory of the incident is that I was not rushed.







He says in another account of the incident that he bounced off the bluff a few times…..so I just don’t buy it. My recollection is that I said my parachute dragged on the bluff and streamed, which is true. It was not the same bluff that my plane hit. I do not recall hitting the bluff with my body.







(13) Fenn says he covered up Philadelphia and it took him to another dimension in his mind…..same idea told by Neil Armstrong and other astronauts (I’ll consider this borrowed, not stolen or lied about) Thanks for the concession. Covering up Philadelphia with my thumb might be a little exaggerated but I covered all of it that had been in my view. Either way, I was effected by the incident. I am not aware that Neil Armstrong and other astronauts have made similar observations.







(14) Fenn quotes a poem on page 75 by (according to Fenn) his “dear friend J. Evetts Haley” in speaking of his wife. BUT WAIT A SECOND!!! “Courage has a Crimson Coat” is a poem by Nancy Byrd Turner. The two poems in question are not identical. My quote comes from Evetts Haley’s book Nita Stewart Haley, privately printed, designed by Carl Hertzog, and was never sold, but was given to close friends. It was published in 1958 and the poem is on the last page of his book, page 15, and immediately under the poem are the finishing words to his book:



Thus while I tore out my heart in mad endeavor upon the stage of action, my dear grey-gowned Nita – who really played the leading part, sat far back in the wings of life, and with vast pride and infinite patience, wove all of the cloth for me to wear.







I don’t feel the need to defend what Evetts said.








(15) Fenn describes an area in the “Looking for Lewis and Clark” chapter (p.62) which is VERY similar to a description told by Osborne Russell in “Journal of a Trapper”….Read the Trapper book and compare the two…Fenn’s description “…that little stream got narrower and narrower and deeper and deeper until it developed vertical sides that nothing could get through but water.” I have read Russell’s book more than a few times and I do not recall that passage. It would be fun if someone on this blog would compare Mr. Russell’s quote with the one in my book.



(16) 9. Fenn states that young Skippy obtained a plane in Idaho. I did not say he obtained a plane in Idaho. (without having a pilot’s license and no training. I did not say he had no training. And could not take off in “15 miles of water runway” on Hebgen Lake since it was above 6,000 feet. That is correct but I don’t know where the blogger is going with the rest of this paragraph so I will move on to the next one.







(17) Fenn says he flunked most of his classes. I did not say that I flunked most of my classes. Yet he was never held back. That’s because no one was held back. Don’t make the mistake of comparing the 1940s with the 2013s …he surely would have been held back a grade. Not true. And if you look at the 1948 Cotton Blossom yearbook (Fenn’s senior year), it says on page 29 that he was involved in basketball, true, Football true, Student Council (?) Biology Club Everyone who took the class was in the club by acclimation. Physics Club, What club? I flunked the class. And on page 100 Fenn is shown in the “Folk and Square Dance Club” picture. I must not have known what that picture was for. I don’t even remember such a club. Same for Auto Mechanics Club.







(18) At age 80, Fenn remembers his classmates from 1st grade….Maybe but I doubt it!!!!! At age 83 I still remember 1st graders, Scotty, Edward, Laurens, Martha, Pat, Betty, Mickey, and get frequent emails from all of them. I lost others in the last year. Many of my classmates from 1st grade I do not remember, however. Most of them are dead.







(19) Fenn says he read “For Whom the Bell Tolls” Not true, I read only about 20 pages. And it was about “an ambulance driver in WW!.......Ug, wait minute, Nooo…that was about “A Farewell to Arms” No, it was the Spanish Revolution.







(20) Fenn says it was raining in Santa Fe, NM the day after J. D. Salinger died??? Ummmm, not according to wnderground.com or nws.noaa.gov!!! Maybe it didn’t rain all day, or maybe I just drizzled. Would you believe mist? Can someone help me out please?







(21) Fenn uses famous paintings throughout TTOTC…Not true, my illustrator did make 2 drawings from details of Rockwell paintings. It was done under the laws that govern “fair use.” A common practice. Thank you John Brown.







(22) And Finally, Fenn says that he hid a treasure chest in the mountains north of Santa Fe that is so full of gold that it is almost too heavy for one person to carry. That is true, especially women and youngsters. Still holding my breath on that one, Fenn! I’ll believe it when I see it. I doubt it.



*Below Forrest says everything*



It appears that someone is working very hard on this blog to make a case against me for reasons that may be self-serving. Most likely it’s somebody who is frustrated in the search for my treasure and feels it necessary to discredit me to pacify their failures. Maybe they serve a purpose by enticing others to think and communicate. A good lesson in life is that one should be very careful when saying something absolutely, leaving no room for an opposing view, or a different opinion. That lesson is underlined when one accuses another of lying. I yield in this blog to anyone who has an animosity toward me or would bring me dishonor. Those who would seek faults in me back to my first school grade will find that their opportunities abound. I am finding many things about myself that I did not know, and for that I am thankful. And for those who bring hate and ill will to the search I would ask to back away or drop out. Your shelf life has run out.



Forrest Fenn
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Keepin' the faith, baby...


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What if "too far to walk" really contains plenty of good hints and good info? Forrest put out TTOTC and said it's full of subtle hints but as we've discovered, the entire book is full of false statements.
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Okay, you're right. Not we. since I haven't contributed to any yet. I should have said others who are much more perceptive than me have found examples of false statement, errors or misquotes.



Here's one from the first line of the first chapter:

"I still think about education sometimes, especially now that it's too late to get any."



Now you could argue that he's only expressing his opinion but I happen to believe that Forrest is a highly intelligent person who is purposely playing a little rope a dope with errors and misstatements in the book to make a point.
cojfox...I believe the proper terminology to be used is "license", that is to say "artistic license" to embellish or exaggerate as one sees fit...with all the photo-shopping being done on the tube these days, someone may actually believe in rainbow owls or even the fabled jack-a-lope...reason and sanity demand common sense however, and Mr. Fenn is entertaining a wide audience with some tales and stories, dreams and fantasies...ya gotta know when to hold'em, fold'em, walk away, or run...take it or leave it, fake it or believe it...your choice....


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cojfox...I believe the proper terminology to be used is "license", that is to say "artistic license" to embellish or exaggerate as one sees fit...with all the photo-shopping being done on the tube these days, someone may actually believe in rainbow owls or even the fabled jack-a-lope...reason and sanity demand common sense however, and Mr. Fenn is entertaining a wide audience with some tales and stories, dreams and fantasies...ya gotta know when to hold'em, fold'em, walk away, or run...take it or leave it, fake it or believe it...your choice....
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"<b>Fake it til you make it</b>"...



... "<b>It's not who you are, it's who they think you are</b>".



Smile





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... I happen to believe that Forrest is a highly intelligent person ...
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... who doesn't need a DICTIONARY and can use EVERY SINGLE LETTER in the ENGLISH ALPHABET in a POEM except "X" marks the spot.





I would adopt FORREST FENN in a HEART-BEAT and claim him proudly as honorable...





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I liiike it! Smile


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cojfox...I believe the proper terminology to be used is "license", that is to say "artistic license" to embellish or exaggerate as one sees fit...with all the photo-shopping being done on the tube these days, someone may actually believe in rainbow owls or even the fabled jack-a-lope...reason and sanity demand common sense however, and Mr. Fenn is entertaining a wide audience with some tales and stories, dreams and fantasies...ya gotta know when to hold'em, fold'em, walk away, or run...take it or leave it, fake it or believe it...your choice....
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Will they believe it when they see it in the Smithsonian someday? LOL! I doubt it.



I tried to fake it, but I believe, samsmith. And I'm recruiting fellow fenners all the time. Big Grin</div>
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@NTMI - I would love to see the chest and it's story in the Smithsonian someday.



Tis the season for all to Believe! I personally have not questioned Mr. Fenn's basic honesty in all of this. His Poem is a masterpiece to me, and I still find things in his Poem and TTOTC that show some of the amazing effort he put into it all.



Speaking of "effort", as I go to the movies with a few grandkids to enjoy "Frozen" today, I hope I don't keep thinking about "Your effort will be worth the cold".



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