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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
02-26-2018, 01:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-26-2018, 01:52 PM by fundamental design.)
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
A short synopsis of the movie Catch Me If You Can...

Frank Abagnale, Jr. (Leonardo DiCaprio) worked as a doctor, a lawyer, and as a co‑pilot for a major airline ‑‑ all before his 18th birthday. A master of deception, he was also a brilliant forger, whose skill gave him his first real claim to fame: At the age of 17, Frank Abagnale, Jr. became the most successful bank robber in the history of the U.S. FBI Agent.

...And here’s what the judge in the movie said at Frank’s sentencing. It comes across like the first stanza theory that I’ve been explaining on this thread if one looks at it in a simplified big picture view...

[Image: 5177a7f249c772865112f7e2720cbd1b.jpg]

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02-26-2018, 06:55 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Yeah, bold in a random movie script is a giant hint.
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02-26-2018, 10:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-27-2018, 07:22 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(02-26-2018, 06:55 PM)DL167 Wrote: Yeah, bold in a random movie script is a giant hint.

Good point...not unlike the poem starting of with ‘As I’ve’.

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04-10-2018, 08:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-10-2018, 10:28 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Once in awhile you want to go over your search approach to reflect current thoughts, so here’s mine...

I started this thread to help us all focus on figuring out the first clue. I feel that makes this thread the most important thread out there, lol.

I think poem purists have a few holes in their approach and tend to leave out a few points in their write ups. They’d prbly be surprised to know I spend 99% (or more) of my search time with the poem. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think following f’s best advice for searchers is vital. Go ask a poem purist what f’s best advice is if you want to find the treasure. I’ve never heard a poem purist recite f’s best advice...

Poem purists feel that one is taking a less direct approach if one attempts to find hints as one can’t objectively grab onto a hint in tttotc. They say there’s so many more thousands of words in ttotc then the 166 words in the poem. I liken their view to the incorrect thought that it should always be more efficient or direct to figure out a clue in a clue room by just using the information you’ve uncovered so far when you can ask for one of your three hints (which at the time one doesn’t know the answer to a hint yet) to help you with the clue your stuck on. The poem purists have misjudged, by not saying, that a hint is something that should be easier to ascertain than the clue that it associates with which you are stuck on. That’s how the relationship between a hint and a clue works.

It also is not just subjectively picking a hint out of the book. If we know that the tc is located in one of the four search states in the Rocky Mountains then finding a hint(s) in ttotc that involves an area(s) in the same four states is a fair approach to see what can be produced by the information. It’s not like searchers don’t have wildly different ideas as where the nine clues are located (inside/outside the four search states). We also don’t have definitive proof of what all of the actual nine clues are either for that matter.

I’m not bagging on the poem purists but all this goes hand in hand on helping with the hints and clues. I feel that the first stanza isn’t just a cryptic introduction that provides a mental clue. I think it is a cryptic introduction that provides a clever hint to a specific geographical location in the Rocky Mountains where one begins nearby their Chase path at wwwh. IMO, this is how f quickly narrows down to only one location in the poem to begin at. Likewise, I think that f is immensely capable of concocting cryptic hints in the book from different stories that can lead one to the same beginning location.

Another way to put it is there’s one hard hint to figure out in the poem and there’s a few easier hints in the book that lead you to the correct wwwh. They have a truth to them that appears after correctly analyzing them. F has given us that the hints in the book somehow will trip up in our minds if we are able to get that far. He has used the term aberration to describe the nature of some of the hints. So, it’s not as subjective of a process as some feel. There’s not much truth in the poem (meaning there’s plenty of subjective places for wwwh all the way up to the blaze) to easily grab ahold of except, to me, the hint in the first stanza. I think that f disguised those lines as a recipe. If you know the ingredients and you know what the recipe is then you know the one and only result of that recipe. There is only one result as the recipe and ingredients for spaghetti don’t make any pop tart that I’ve eaten.

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04-10-2018, 10:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-10-2018, 11:58 AM by realistrealist.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-10-2018, 08:24 AM)fundamental design Wrote: Once in awhile you want to go over your search approach to reflect current thoughts, so here’s mine...

I started this thread to help us all focus on figuring out the first clue. I feel that makes this thread the most important thread out there, lol.

I think poem purists have a few holes in their approach and tend to leave out a few points in their write ups. They’d prbly be surprised to know I spend 99% (or more) of my search time with the poem. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think following f’s best advice for searchers is vital. Go ask a poem purist what f’s best advice is if you want to find the treasure. I’ve never heard a poem purist recite f’s advice...

Poem purists feel that one is taking a less direct approach if one attempts to find hints as one can’t objectively grab onto a hint in tttotc. They say there’s so many more thousands of words in ttotc then the 166 words in the poem. I liken their view to the incorrect thought that it should always be more efficient or direct to figure out a clue in a clue room by just using the information you’ve uncovered so far when you can ask for one of your three hints (which at the time one doesn’t know the answer to a hint yet) to help you with the clue your stuck on. The poem purists have misjudged, by not saying, that a hint is something that should be easier to ascertain than the clue that you are stuck on. That’s how the relationship between a hint and a clue works.

It also is not just subjectively picking a hint out of the book. If we know that the tc is located in one of the four search states in the Rocky Mountains then finding a hint(s) in ttotc that involves an area(s) in the same four states is a fair approach to see what can be produced by the information. It’s not like searchers don’t have wildly different ideas as where the nine clues are located (inside/outside the four search states). We also don’t have definitive proof of what the actual nine clues are either for that matter.

I’m not bagging on the poem purists but all this goes hand in hand on helping with the hints and clues. I feel that the first stanza isn’t just a cryptic introduction that provides a mental clue. I think it is a cryptic introduction that provides a clever hint to a specific geographical location in the Rocky Mountains where one begins nearby their Chase path at wwwh. IMO, this is how f quickly narrows down to only one location in the poem to begin at. Likewise, I think that f is immensely capable of concocting cryptic hints in the book from different stories that can lead one to the same beginning location.

Another way to put it is there’s one hard hint to figure out in the poem and there’s a few easier hints in the book that lead you to the correct wwwh. They have a truth to them that appears after correctly analyzing them. F has given us that the hints in the book somehow will trip up in our minds if we are able to get that far. He has used the term aberration to describe the nature of some of the hints. So, it’s not as subjective of a process as some feel. There’s not much truth in the poem (meaning there’s plenty of subjective places for wwwh all the way up to the blaze) to easily grab ahold of except, to me, the hint in the first stanza. I think that f disguised those lines as a recipe. If you know the ingredients and you know what the recipe is then you know the one and only result of that recipe. There is only one result as the recipe and ingredients for spaghetti don’t make a pop tart.

IF the poem is intended to be easy, THEN you should be able to deduce from the poem: the State(s) involved, the County/City/National Park involved, the precise starting point, the subsequent points along the map.

IF the directions begin with WWWH, THEN one can reasonably conclude that the State or the largest area narrowing down the precise location has already been hinted at/given away.

IF the secret spot is located on the border of two States, THEN it seems plausible that the lines surrounding the "you" stanzas (the Fenn "I" stanzas) (ie. "treasures new and old" [what's more important... "treasures" for MT or "new and old" for NM? http://www.essentia.com/book/poems/Silver_gold.htm "oro y plata" I'd argue], "why is it I must go") may provide those States prior to entering the clues and the more specific spots.

IF the Teachers with Ropes illustration equates "Halt" with "Parking", THEN it follows that warm waters halt in either a Park or Park County. IF the prior line is pointing out a State, THEN you'd naturally feel inclined to believe the next item to drill down to is a County.

IF the poem is precise, THEN there must be many hints that delineate the correct Park or Park County/starting point.
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04-10-2018, 11:28 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-10-2018, 10:02 AM)realistrealist Wrote: IF the Teachers with Ropes illustration equates "Halt" with "Parking", THEN it follows that warm waters halt in either a Park or Park County. IF the prior line is pointing out a State, THEN you'd naturally feel inclined to believe the next item to drill down to is a County.

IF the poem is precise, THEN there must be many hints that delineate the correct Park or Park County/starting point.

If you adopt a New England accent and drop the "r's", then "Park" would actually rhyme with "walk". Something to think about.
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04-10-2018, 04:12 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
They always say this, and it is true, if you're buying a home and are worried about a cracked slab, look up and not down for signs of foundation trouble. Oh, and hire an inspector as well....maybe that is what this thread needs. Just sayin' Smile
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04-10-2018, 06:37 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-10-2018, 04:12 PM)Gordon Lightfoot Wrote: They always say this, and it is true, if you're buying a home and are worried about a cracked slab, look up and not down for signs of foundation trouble. Oh, and hire an inspector as well....maybe that is what this thread needs. Just sayin' Smile

You don’t have to worry about me worrying...just focused. Smile

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04-11-2018, 08:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2018, 08:52 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I’ve also focused on the idea that the blaze is specifically mentioned in the poem. In the first stanza, the geographical point I believe the hint relates to is also the blaze. This is maybe why the poem says if you’ve been wise. You had to previously be wise to understand the correctness of the starting point and it carries over to the blaze.

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04-17-2018, 08:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2018, 09:21 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
As I’ve gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Recipe calls for four ingredients: I’ve gone alone, with treasures bold, I can keep my secret and oops, no I can’t, I’ll immediately hint of riches.

So, who else used these same, exact ingredients before f’s Chase began in the treasure map area?

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