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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
04-14-2019, 08:20 PM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I agree to a point, but when my first solve didnt pan out I went to the next wwh it can work for some

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04-27-2019, 06:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-27-2019, 06:40 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I had a discussion with JDA while posting on Dal’s the other day. Although JDA has changed his solve techniques many times after his 25 or so botg, he still utilizes what he believes are clues in the 5th and 6th stanza.

JDA is one of those that also believes when f said wwwh is the first clue that f might not have said the whole first clue...as in and take it in the canyon down is still part of clue one.

JDA then presented this example which I thought was actually a good idea. It just didn’t turn out like JDA thought it would because I brought up a point in my response that differed from his original objective. It’s those unintended points that pop up once in awhile that one might want to see are very important to hash out in one’s perspective of the poem clues.

My response to JDA is below the dashed line.

JDA said: If you want to go from Albuquerque, New Mexico to Los Angeles – Where do you start? You start at Albuquerque – of course. Would you start at Flagstaff Arizona? Probably not.

“Start at the beginning.” Logical. Forrest knows that WWWH = Albuquerque, so THAT is where you must start. You can Not WISH your car to Flagstaff, and begin there – It just ain’t gonna work – JMO – JDA

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So with the reasoning you’re giving here, wwwh is the starting point (and equals Albuquerque in your example). You are making my point for me since f has defined a clue as something that gets one closer to the treasure. That definition of a clue by f starts at clue 1…which you just said is wwwh/Albuquerque.

Going to Flagstaff, Az (equals canyon down in your hypothetical example) is a place closer to the treasure than Albuquerque so it must be the next clue and not part of the first clue. Two separate places. One is closer than the other to the treasure.

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I think JDA’s hypothetical example of starting in Albuquerque (the correct wwwh) and proceeding to Flagstaff (canyon down) and ending up in Los Angeles (the treasure found) does help us get a vision of how f defined what a clue does for us because these distances are on a much bigger scale. Since they are of such large scale it’s easy to see that one possible clue- canyon down (Flagstaff), or hoB, is much closer to Los Angeles than Albuquerque (I’m guessing, as I didn’t check that on a map, lol.).

So, this has the same implications for the 9 sentences equals the 9 clues followers.

One other point, they also discussed in the last few days my theory about their being possible backstory in the first stanza of the poem since I brought up the nope, nope question and answer (again, lol). JDA still doesn’t get my logic with it but that’s par for the course. Seeker started to get it though. I would add a detail to Seekers thinking. It’s the first stanza in the poem that provides the all important (vital) SPECIFIC backstory to figure out the correct wwwh. All other backstory in the Chase doesn’t do that.

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04-28-2019, 06:23 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
gosh andrew-the conversation was pretty self explanatory.

if you mean specifically, I guess it would identify the area you are searching, by name.
This is why it is a word that is key, because you would be assured that you are on the right track, and a game changer.
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05-01-2019, 03:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2019, 03:04 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
“I guess maybe that rules out hints in the book being vital to solving the poem. Think that had been discussed adnauseum.”

-Seannm

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This is horrible logic. If it worked like this than I would be correct in saying your 9 sentences are the 9 clues theory is ruled out because it’s been discussed adnauseum. Or the punctuation.

The fact is there’s many things that have been talked about that are still vital in finding the tc. You still have to figure out the clues or do they get tossed too since they’ve been talked about? Does the blaze get tossed now? Smh

It can just mean there’s another component that supposedly hasn’t been discussed. Big whoop.

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05-02-2019, 12:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-02-2019, 12:48 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Q &A with school kids on MW...

2)The treasure chest is cool. I like reading and I will get some books from the library to help me solve your puzzle. What books should I get?
You should get The Thrill of the Chase.

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Sounds like the kid already has the puzzle (poem). Jenny is nearly pointing at the poem on the map. Interesting that f advises TTOTC book will help the kid solve his puzzle.

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05-02-2019, 12:55 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(05-02-2019, 12:46 PM)fundamental design Wrote: Q &A with school kids on MW...

2)The treasure chest is cool. I like reading and I will get some books from the library to help me solve your puzzle. What books should I get?
You should get The Thrill of the Chase.

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Sounds like the kid already has the puzzle (poem). Jenny is nearly pointing at the poem on the map. Interesting that f advises TTOTC book will help the kid solve his puzzle.
Not good news for the poem purists, but of course nothing really is.
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05-03-2019, 01:31 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Courtesy of Seannm:

seannm
1 day ago #1

All,

The new Playboy interview audio recently released by Jason had Forrest once again stating the whole “back in the box” advice. This got me thinking about what that may mean.

So what if the box is simply TTOTC, and Forrest’s mentioning that some are looking outside the box as if the solution lies out there somewhere, is him trying to tell us that there is no need to look outside of the book for any information save for marrying the clues to a map.

What this may mean, and I stress may, is that even the information we need to understand the subtle clues and how they help with the clues may be solely found within the book and there may be no need to look outside of it like researching history.

Here is an example of what I mean

So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:

Could this be one of the subtle clues? If so all the information to understand what it may be trying trying to convey doesn’t require any research into history or any specialized knowledge.

Just a thought, would like your feedback.

Thanks

Seannm

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Well, for me, I haven’t felt the need to contstrain myself with this approach you’re describing. That’s not to mention that Mdavis has “TTOTC” in his failure box. Might want to suggest to him that his personal guarantee that every item in his failure box isn’t correct.

You also equate “So many searchers are stomping on the ants while the elephants run by” to people who are caught up in the munitia- like subtle clues in the book and missing what is right in their face. I don’t agree with that.

Thats because I think you are the one who is caught up in the munitia and missing the big picture. In two of the questions the kids asked f, he answered that those questions are part of the puzzle you have to figure out. Questions numbered 4 and 9. That means f is not gonna tell you the answer to those parts of the puzzle. He has also said that about the hints in the book before. That doesn’t mean chalk it up to just being munitia.

What happens if what one thinks is a hint leads to a specific area or place on a map? What if the other hints do that too? And they all are in the same, specific area? Are maps frowned on around here? I’d go with that over this as a subtle clue/hint any day- So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.

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05-03-2019, 02:12 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Well, he mentions a lot of things in the book (such as people). It probably doesn't hurt to think about why. That might involve some light research.
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05-03-2019, 03:23 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(05-03-2019, 01:31 PM)fundamental design Wrote: Courtesy of Seannm:

seannm
1 day ago #1

All,

The new Playboy interview audio recently released by Jason had Forrest once again stating the whole “back in the box” advice. This got me thinking about what that may mean.

So what if the box is simply TTOTC, and Forrest’s mentioning that some are looking outside the box as if the solution lies out there somewhere, is him trying to tell us that there is no need to look outside of the book for any information save for marrying the clues to a map.

What this may mean, and I stress may, is that even the information we need to understand the subtle clues and how they help with the clues may be solely found within the book and there may be no need to look outside of it like researching history.

Here is an example of what I mean

So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:

Could this be one of the subtle clues? If so all the information to understand what it may be trying trying to convey doesn’t require any research into history or any specialized knowledge.

Just a thought, would like your feedback.

Thanks

Seannm

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Well, for me, I haven’t felt the need to contstrain myself with this approach you’re describing. That’s not to mention that Mdavis has “TTOTC” in his failure box. Might want to suggest to him that his personal guarantee that every item in his failure box isn’t correct.

You also equate “So many searchers are stomping on the ants while the elephants run by” to people who are caught up in the munitia- like subtle clues in the book and missing what is right in their face. I don’t agree with that.

Thats because I think you are the one who is caught up in the munitia and missing the big picture. In two of the questions the kids asked f, he answered that those questions are part of the puzzle you have to figure out. Questions numbered 4 and 9. That means f is not gonna tell you the answer to those parts of the puzzle. He has also said that about the hints in the book before. That doesn’t mean chalk it up to just being munitia.

What happens if what one thinks is a hint leads to a specific area or place on a map? What if the other hints do that too? And they all are in the same, specific area? Are maps frowned on around here? I’d go with that over this as a subtle clue/hint any day- So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure.
Seannm is a walking contradiction. Here is his last post that got me rolling on the floor with laughter.

"I personally try very hard to ensure I insert words and phrases that steer clear of insinuating facts, especially about the chase. "

followed by his signature moto,
"In 'The Thrill of the Chase' world the side you take up is usually the one that falls under your own belief structure. Sometimes it has less to do with evidence and more to do with what you wish to believe."

The arrogant jackass incriminates himself every time he opens his mouth. His "belief structure" is the most biased belief system in the chase and never has anything to do with evidence.
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05-04-2019, 07:57 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
^Lol.

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