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The inside Scoop
10-29-2018, 06:04 PM,
The inside Scoop
Has anyone heard about what was REALLY said between F and certain searchers?

I have, and if you would like me to post it, I will.

There are some weird games afoot.

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10-29-2018, 06:10 PM,
RE: The inside Scoop
Post it.
10-29-2018, 06:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2018, 06:19 PM by Mindy.)
The inside Scoop
I will post the entire email circulating about. This email was forwarded to me. I didn’t ask for it.

I BELIEVE this guy is telling the truth. The two people who can confirm or deny are unwilling, so I will trust my gut on this until someone proves it wrong.

Here it is:

Just so you know, I have BCC'd everyone who asked for the rest of the story.
Also, This is an honest recount of how the events went down starting around August of 2018.

The information/hints/clues that were given by Fenn to searchers has NO effect on Sean and My solve.

I received the "Information" in phone calls with the searcher(s) that had directly met with Fenn, So, the information I am about to provide went from Fenn himself to the Searcher(s) and the Searcher(s) to me.

There is one exception and that is the "Brown Has Nothing To Do With Trout" statement made by Fenn to a Searcher. I obtained that information from a searcher who appeared on the "After Hours Party" before we went "Live".

"If you stick your foot in it, is it warm?" Fenn asked a searcher in a discussion in the Fenn home. The Searcher reports that they answered "NO". Fenn then asked what the Searcher didn't get about Warm Waters.
In a recent round table (#1) that searcher can be heard declaring that they believe warm waters are thermal... "But no one told me that". Personally I thought it took a bit of guts to declare that one.

The Drawings in the book. I was kinda with Brother Thomas thinking something was a hint in the Gypsy's drawing and when it went up for auction I was almost sure of it. But, In a meeting in Fenn's home and then at lunch that same day Fenn allowed a Searcher to examine all of the original artwork from "The Thrill Of The Chase". as the Searcher was going through the book of drawings Fenn said to the Searcher "There are no hints or clues in any of the drawings"

For this next one I have to note that Again, I have been told this from a Searcher that is very close to Fenn. Fenn is in the beginnings or middle of dementia. I have actually been told this by two (2) Searchers who have spent time with Fenn.

So here is the confusing one: Fenn asks a Searcher in Fenn's home: "If I rent a place do I own it while I am renting it?" Fenn followed up with "Do I own the property it sits on?" Fenn gave no further explanation of this line of questioning. This one took me down a path of rental cabins on BLM land or something of this type. I had to drop it after a week or so as its just out of no where from Fenn.

And Finally, If you have read to this point here is something interesting. I don't believe it will get you to the chest, but it is interesting to note the back ally dealings of some IMHO.
When Fenn's home was raided by the FBI they took an inventory of all the items in the home. While the inventory was going on the chest itself was also inventoried. Every item photographed, described by the agents, and then it was stated that Fenn himself had to identify the items.
It is believed that what ever the "Special item" is in the chest is also in the inventory of the chest.
Fenn told one Searcher he was surprised no one had used the "Freedom Of Information Act" to get the photographs and description of the items. That Searcher looked into it and learned that it would cost $20,000.00 to receive the information. BUT, that because this Searcher is an educator the fee would be waived. That Searcher is currently waiting for the FOIA information and images.

So that's that for that... Now, a weee bit about AGK.
In Toby's video he makes it clear that working the show 40 hours a week is not worth the revenue that AGK was generating.
For those who don't know Revenue on YouTube is generated by those little commercials that appear when you watch a replay of a show. AGK also had their Super Chat. Shelly was guaranteed the first $500.00 per month of revenue and the other panelists would then split the remaining amount.
Toby also stated that their chances of finding the treasure were infinitesimal. Toby states this because he became privy to the fact that "where warm waters halt" is not the "Trout waters of NM". (Remember his crash and burn when he figured out he was doing canyon up and not down for 5 years? Imagine the impact of learning it never was about Trout waters and that one of your new panelists knew it for months and never told you?)

There you have it. I believe I covered what I wanted to cover on the "After Hours Party". The playing field is not level. This information is more than likely just a fraction of what Fenn has let slip to the many Searchers with whom he has spent time with.
You may chose to believe it or not. RF Hecky said last night that she didn't believe a word that came out of my mouth. Sorry RF, I enjoy your channel and have no reason and have never had a reason to lie to you or anyone else involved in the chase.

Questions? Just ask.

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10-29-2018, 07:16 PM,
RE: The inside Scoop
based on the information you posted, I think the "HOB is not related to brown trout" information is something that's been butchered in translation by some searcher out there and where it came from was actually the comments about warm waters not being trout waters (which, imo, is a true statement)

I don't believe any of the other stuff is false except to say that "no hints in the drawings" may be a matter of point of view. what f thinks of as hints/clues in the poem may not exist in the drawings, per his line of thinking
10-29-2018, 07:41 PM,
RE: The inside Scoop
Thanks, Mindy.

Now if I could just remember where I live .......
10-29-2018, 08:09 PM,
The inside Scoop
(10-29-2018, 07:56 PM)brubr Wrote: Ummmm.... This is it? This email is the big reveal?? Yawn.

I never thought HoB had ANYTHING to do with trout and I have no idea why anyone would think that. So having Fenn say that directly to anyone in public or private means nothing, frankly.

There are no hints in the drawings....again, I never thought that there were, no hints come up in my solution to the poem. So having Fenn confirm that to anyone doesnt raise my outrage level one wit. And I dont care if its public or private.

So warm waters means....warm waters. WOW! REALLY?? Again, so what?? I always thought Fenn meant exactly what he said. Why anyone would assume that you need to refer to cryptology, or count words or letters, or study hydrothermal bands or whatever, is beyond me.

Here's my take: Some searchers - maybe a lot of them - have wrapped their brains around utter nonsense. There are hints everywhere!! Rainbows are a hint!! HoB must relate to trout!! Or bears, or beavers, or outhouses, or Native Americans!! Gypsies mean something!! So now Fenn has called the nonsense nonsense to some people. WHAT??!?? He didnt tell ME!! He didnt say it publicly!! He's a fraud!! No, he isnt. Yes, its fair, at least in my view.

There is NOT a big conspiracy. And quite frankly, if Fenn told all of us tomorrow where the treasure is, almost no one would believe him, so enthralled we all are with our solutions.

So, to sum up: phhffffttt.


Your phhffffttt might be huge to many others. Like those following the tears as wwwh, or the hob brown trout, or the drawings. There is a large percentage of searchers who believe the drawings hold hints.

So the searcher that receives this private information can now rule it out while other searchers are not provided the same information.

And what if the searcher this was told to had a solve based on tears and the drawings? She can rule those out, and be a step ahead of the searchers that didn’t receive that info. Is that fair? Was that inside, private info HELPFUL to the searcher that heard it? Would that info be helpful to the others who haven’t heard it?

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10-29-2018, 09:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2018, 09:46 PM by findingit.)
RE: The inside Scoop
(10-29-2018, 06:04 PM)Mindy Wrote: Has anyone heard about what was REALLY said between F and certain searchers?

I have, and if you would like me to post it, I will.

There are some weird games afoot.

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Need attention much? You are the one with multiple confidential emails from the man. Do tell. You are besting F at fishing for it.
P.S. Your thoughts don't equal proof.
10-29-2018, 10:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2018, 11:40 PM by Top Secret.)
RE: The inside Scoop
So "the guy" that reported this obviously is Kramer. I agree with brubr, any information contained in this "reveal" is useless. All it did was move anyone who didn't realize wwwh was a thermal feature, illustrations don't contain clues and hoB was isn't trout.( i.e. anyone who never had a chance at solving it) them out of a totally clueless state to just a clueless state. Fenn could tell the answer to each clue and they still wouldn't be able to figure out where the chest is.

Point in case: Fenn also said poem punctuation is not significant and the author of this post, his partner and their clueless following still think it is important. I guess we shouldn't be upset if Fenn helps these totally inept searchers. They don't listen anyway.

This is all hearsay anyway. Now watch Kramer go ballistic on me. lol
10-29-2018, 10:49 PM,
RE: The inside Scoop
Forrest told me a few times the blaze is not white, go figure.
10-29-2018, 11:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2018, 11:29 PM by antigroove.)
RE: The inside Scoop
(10-29-2018, 10:49 PM)CLOUDFOOT Wrote: Forrest told me a few times the blaze is not white, go figure.

The white blaze I found is definitely not white. This cycle's optics are tricksy.

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