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Why would anyone
01-12-2019, 03:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 03:33 PM by question.)
#11
RE: Why would anyone
Well, for me the poem and book are a challenge, and I love that aspect. But just as good are Fenn's cultish corny videos and watching people stumble over themselves for a box of junk. The problem is that Fenn's personal shortcomings reduced a treasure hunt to pure white trash comedy.
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01-12-2019, 05:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 05:08 PM by brubr.)
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RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 02:36 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: becoming too emotionally invested and not recognizing the true probability that you are wrong, can ultimately lead to severe disappointment and bitterness as over time the reality sinks in that you know nothing at all about whats going in the hunt

Brubr, I am hoping that doesn't happen to you

some of those folks may have been too emotionally invested beyond what is realistic because they are hooked on the idea of themselves being somebody who knows whats going on and that they are perceived that way

While I appreciate your concern for my mental health, it isnt necessary. I have plenty of people in my life who are very familiar with my searching and will keep me on an even keel.

I have been doing research for 35 years. In that time, I have learned the difference between a solution and wishful thinking, because I've experienced plenty of both.
NONE of the problems I have solved have been easy. Almost all of them were considered unsolvable or impossible. All of them have taken many months, if not years. My dissertation took 4 years, during which many people told me to give up, including my husband at the time. One imminent researcher told me, "you are wrong and even if you're right no one cares." I was right, solved the problem, and the accolades of my colleagues from around the world proved that lots of people cared. One person never assumed that I was wrong: my BFF and current search partner. She has seen my tenacity up close and has never assumed I am unrealistic in what I am doing to solve the poem.

I have had plenty of wrong turns in this solution as well, but I have always come back to the blaze. I had the final clue in July last year at which point I realized I had to remove this debris flow. The area is 12 feet in diameter (sound familiar?) and I estimated 4 feet deep of mud, sand, gravel, and 60 pound boulders the size of watermelons. I have been working at this task since July. I have had to dodge hunters, weather, work demands, house/life issues (car needed a new transmission, two appliances died and had to be repaired, no vacation so I have to work weekends to make up time, my search partner needed a bilateral posterior capsulotomy ASAP, etc, I had some health issues that couldnt wait, I have cataract surgery scheduled for the end of this month) as well as the need to remove this material in such a way that is consistent with the "rules" for the area. I am almost finished clearing, but would never have attempted this task if I didnt know I was right.

You can assume anything you like. You can tell me I'm wrong all you like. It wont make a wit of difference to the program I have laid out for myself. So you might as well save your breath and focus your concern on your own solution.
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01-12-2019, 06:42 PM,
#13
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 05:05 PM)brubr Wrote: So you might as well save your breath and focus your concern on your own solution.

but your solution sounds so much more interesting than mine
Go Rams!
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01-12-2019, 07:58 PM,
#14
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 12:54 AM)5GIRLS Wrote: continue to spend any amount of time on ChaseChat, or any other Chase related site, if they have no faith that Fenn REALLY hid a Treasure Chest? I think ALL these nay sayers are still saying "WHAT IF", and are looking for some help.
Good question 5Girls and thank you for creating a separate thread. I think one of the greatest self-defense mechanisms to protect the fear of being a hoax is the "oh they didn't find the chest so it must be sour grapes" My personal feeling is the blogs are by Fenn's words for entertainment. No one really talks about the clues in the poem anymore. All has been discussed, I do not think I have read an original new idea in a year. It as if all has been discussed and there is nothing left.

From an entertaining and intellectually stimulating debate POV I think it is healthy to debate the existence of the chest and hoax verses the constant raw raw cult mentality. It is good to have balance as long as the comments appear in the relevant threads. That way those that still believe in Santa can avoid them
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01-12-2019, 08:31 PM,
#15
RE: Why would anyone
These nay say'ers are most likely quite intelligent and highly successful at most everything they undertake. However these nay say'ers most likely have failed at solving the first few clues and begin to feel inferior to others that have solved them. These feeling are uncomfortable and unusual to them so they have the need to lie to themselves and justify their failure by claiming it's a hoax.
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01-12-2019, 08:37 PM,
#16
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 08:31 PM)Dr. Coffee Wrote: These nay say'ers are most likely quite intelligent and highly successful at most everything they undertake. However these nay say'ers most likely have failed at solving the first few clues and begin to feel inferior to others that have solved them. These feeling are uncomfortable and unusual to them so they have the need to lie to themselves and justify their failure by claiming it's a hoax.

I am quoting your comment but not for any particular reason
Go Rams!
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01-12-2019, 08:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 08:44 PM by Top Secret.)
#17
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 08:31 PM)Dr. Coffee Wrote: These nay say'ers are most likely quite intelligent and highly successful at most everything they undertake. However these nay say'ers most likely have failed at solving the first few clues and begin to feel inferior to others that have solved them. These feeling are uncomfortable and unusual to them so they have the need to lie to themselves and justify their failure by claiming it's a hoax.
I agree with your first part. There is no way of confirming either way of the level of confirmation for the first few clues, Fenn himself says no one can confirm whether they have the first clue correct until they have solved the last clue(retrieved the treasure). He even said the ones who were closest don't even know how close they were. There is only possible one person who knows they are close and that is the one that gave Fenn the gut feeling. For all anyone knows, the biggest nay sayer could have solved the poem and retrieved the chest and toying with y'all. There really no way of telling what anyone's motivation is, including Fenn's true motivation for hiding the chest.JMHO

(01-12-2019, 08:37 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(01-12-2019, 08:31 PM)Dr. Coffee Wrote: These nay say'ers are most likely quite intelligent and highly successful at most everything they undertake. However these nay say'ers most likely have failed at solving the first few clues and begin to feel inferior to others that have solved them. These feeling are uncomfortable and unusual to them so they have the need to lie to themselves and justify their failure by claiming it's a hoax.

I am quoting your comment but not for any particular reason
Rams suck go Cowboys!
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01-12-2019, 10:40 PM,
#18
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 07:58 PM)Top Secret Wrote:
(01-12-2019, 12:54 AM)5GIRLS Wrote: continue to spend any amount of time on ChaseChat, or any other Chase related site, if they have no faith that Fenn REALLY hid a Treasure Chest? I think ALL these nay sayers are still saying "WHAT IF", and are looking for some help.
Good question 5Girls and thank you for creating a separate thread. I think one of the greatest self-defense mechanisms to protect the fear of being a hoax is the "oh they didn't find the chest so it must be sour grapes" My personal feeling is the blogs are by Fenn's words for entertainment. No one really talks about the clues in the poem anymore. All has been discussed, I do not think I have read an original new idea in a year. It as if all has been discussed and there is nothing left.

From an entertaining and intellectually stimulating debate POV I think it is healthy to debate the existence of the chest and hoax verses the constant raw raw cult mentality. It is good to have balance as long as the comments appear in the relevant threads. That way those that still believe in Santa can avoid them
There are books of things left to the poem which have not been discussed. Nobody is talkin about those things cause of how intricate they are. So complicated. Just genius. Ask anybody who knows...
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01-13-2019, 09:18 PM,
#19
RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 12:54 AM)5GIRLS Wrote: continue to spend any amount of time on ChaseChat, or any other Chase related site, if they have no faith that Fenn REALLY hid a Treasure Chest? I think ALL these nay sayers are still saying "WHAT IF", and are looking for some help.

I found out about the chase a little over two years ago after catching an episode of Expedition Unknown. I have so far made a conscious effort to decipher the 9 clues using only the poem. Even though I work only on the poem one cannot help but notice statements and posts made by FF. Over the last two years I've found an increasing number of inconsistent statements made by FF including some that contradict previous ones. Any good investigator will tell you that's always a big red flag. I've also learned more about FF through his own stories and blog posts and that has only fueled more doubt for me personally. Like most searchers I want to believe there's life-changing wealth and financial security sitting out there in the mountains somewhere. I just don't know if I believe anything this guy says anymore. The fact is FF has made a living out of making people want things that he has and he's very good at it, maybe one of the best ever so for me I try to make sure I'm not blinded by my own greed. That and my distance from the search area is why this is a casual pursuit for me. Is this a real life treasure hunt or a hoax to make FF immortal and a treasure legend like Oak Island, Beale, Dutchman Mine, etc... I don't know I guess that's why I keep coming back.
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01-13-2019, 09:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-13-2019, 09:26 PM by legacyhelper.)
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RE: Why would anyone
(01-12-2019, 03:29 PM)question Wrote: Well, for me the poem and book are a challenge, and I love that aspect. But just as good are Fenn's cultish corny videos and watching people stumble over themselves for a box of junk. The problem is that Fenn's personal shortcomings reduced a treasure hunt to pure white trash comedy.

Please don't be racist.

(01-12-2019, 12:54 AM)5GIRLS Wrote: continue to spend any amount of time on ChaseChat, or any other Chase related site, if they have no faith that Fenn REALLY hid a Treasure Chest? I think ALL these nay sayers are still saying "WHAT IF", and are looking for some help.

Maybe because they're bored . . . like those who post on this blog using
many different handles. People want attention, not just a box of gold.
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