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Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
01-14-2019, 08:19 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 08:21 AM by astree.)
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Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
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The question of whether Forrest treasure story about hiding Indulgence is true, is currently under heavy discussion in several forums.

An aspect that I havent seen discussed is his choice of the name Indulgence for the chest.

First, indulgences became popular in the Catholic church during the Middle Ages; toward the end of this time period is when we are lead to believe the chest was made.

An indulgence is a forgiveness of sins for a good action (Catholics can better explain this). The idea behind this, though, is that Forrest used the treasure hunt as a good deed to compensate for things he felt bad about. I know hes not Catholic, but it seems reasonable that the he used the name association because of its connection to the Middle Ages. The treasure hunt is his Indulgence, and it would need to be real to qualify.

It then becomes a judgement call as to what level of detail he went to in providing supporting details, if the treasure story is a fabrication. Did he name the chest Indulgence just to provide a subtle support for the story?

It is also possible that he also “indulged” himself in creating the treasure and the hunt. Or, in creating a hoax. Im not personally of this belief.
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01-14-2019, 08:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 08:39 AM by crazyfamily.)
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Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
Consider too, the other name he considered for the chest, "Tarzan." Did Forrest not "conquer" the Vietnam jungle? He was contemplating walking out to the sea, but decided that it would be unfair to his family. There are deep meanings involved in a seemingly simple task.



razyfamily

Also, please don't mistake what I am trying to pose as Forrest perpetrating a heartless hoax.



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01-14-2019, 10:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 10:39 AM by astree.)
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
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I think about the Tarzan angle, too, and have some ideas. I also think its worthwhile to look at aspects of whether the treasure is truly hidden or not, but didnt want to derail your “come to terms” thread.

One of the questions i consider is”To what level of detail would Forrest go to support the Chase, if its a fabrication”? Many other comments, like the Weekly comments at mysteriouswritings, are specfic....”I made two trips from the car...one afternoon ........” . And things the bio and its reason. The IOU that he thinks he may have removed. Laughing out loud after hiding it. So many minor details.
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Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information? -T.S. Eliot [The Rock]

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01-14-2019, 11:21 AM,
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
(01-14-2019, 08:37 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: Consider too, the other name he considered for the chest, "Tarzan." Did Forrest not "conquer" the Vietnam jungle? He was contemplating walking out to the sea, but decided that it would be unfair to his family. There are deep meanings involved in a seemingly simple task.

The Veterans History Project interviewed Forrest on June 26, 2013. https://memory.loc.gov/diglib/vhp/story/...001.stream At @1:10:12 in that interview, Forrest states the following:

"So for a few hours, two or three or four hours, I - the decision was, am I gonna walk outta here? Or am I gonna use my radio in the morning and try to get them to pick me up? And I was leaning towards walking out. There was a guy by the name of Jimmy Jones. Do you know that name? In survival school, they play his de-briefing in about 1966 or something. He was a navigator. Jumped out. He was the only survivor. Uh, I, my story may not be accurate but I think he was from New York. Didn’t know anything about the outdoors. But he was by himself, there was no Air Rescue Service. So here he is out there someplace what’s he gonna do? He decided that if he was gonna survive, he had to be Tarzan King of the Jungle. And he talked himself into that, I mean, uh, so we heard those de-briefings and I was impressed with that."

So here is an instance when Forrest mentions Tarzan in a context of surviving in the jungle. The story of Jimmy Jones made an impression on Forrest when he heard it in Survival School. And then he ends up getting shot down too, just like Jimmy Jones, all alone in Laos, and he has to decide whether or not to be Tarzan king of the jungle. Maybe the premise that the treasure was once named Tarzan has something to do with the profound impact his night in Laos had on him. He could have died that day. It was a pivotal moment that changed the trajectory of his life, but he didn't realize it at the time.
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01-14-2019, 11:26 AM,
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Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
One thing I find especially contradictory is that the whole thing is deeply personal and the spot is special. One might even hold the location in high regard. He never considered another spot and was going to make it work no matter what. He has only been there a few times and can never go back, but it was the only place he considered to leave a two million dollar cache. Is this logical?


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01-14-2019, 11:49 AM,
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
(01-14-2019, 11:26 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: One thing I find especially contradictory is that the whole thing is deeply personal and the spot is special. One might even hold the location in high regard. He never considered another spot and was going to make it work no matter what. He has only been there a few times and can never go back, but it was the only place he considered to leave a two million dollar cache. Is this logical?


razyfamily

I think it is logical.

He was diagnosed with cancer in 1988 and was told he would probably die within a few years. That's a sobering thought. Maybe the special place that is deeply personal to him is a place he visited a few times to reflect on his life and make an offering to whatever higher power he believes in. Similar to his experience in Vietnam when he went to the waterfall to fulfill his promise to it. The promise he made to the waterfall kept him alive in Vietnam. Maybe the special place in the mountains north of Santa Fe kept him alive during his bout with cancer and he felt compelled to leave a $2 million "indulgence" there as a thank you.
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01-14-2019, 11:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 11:52 AM by astree.)
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
Thanks for the Tarzan story, its.not.true. I didn't know about that.

(01-14-2019, 11:26 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: One thing I find especially contradictory is that the whole thing is deeply personal and the spot is special. One might even hold the location in high regard. He never considered another spot and was going to make it work no matter what. He has only been there a few times and can never go back, but it was the only place he considered to leave a two million dollar cache. Is this logical?

razyfamily

I'm not sure if it's logical, with the information given. If I recall, he did say it was special enough to him, that he considered dying there, and having some type of treasure with him (so that he could take part of it with him). (Please correct if this is wrong).

I consider the possibility that there is something fairly unique about the spot, which is not publicly known.
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Where is the knowledge we have lost in information? -T.S. Eliot [The Rock]

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01-14-2019, 12:47 PM,
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
Forrest speaks of wars on top of wars. I'm looking for treasures on top of treasures! Tarzan had Opar, I believe. A place he could return to and replenish his wealth, as needed.
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01-14-2019, 01:35 PM,
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
(01-14-2019, 12:47 PM)findingit Wrote: Forrest speaks of wars on top of wars. I'm looking for treasures on top of treasures! Tarzan had Opar, I believe. A place he could return to and replenish his wealth, as needed.

If by "a place he could return to and replenish his wealth, as needed" you mean dig up ancient artifacts and sell them, then he already had a place like that south of Santa Fe in San Lazaro Pueblo. Why would he need another place like that north of Santa Fe?
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01-14-2019, 04:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2019, 04:45 PM by admin.)
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RE: Indulgence - Is the treasure real?
I lean towards it was in San Lazaro, he removed it because he didn't want me to take it and I believe he let Cynthia have it. Ibelive the IOU had to do with the chest wasn't the actual treasure but the pueblo was. My other possibility I believe is that it was a hoax.
Surprised any other site considers a hoax. We we're all blacklisted for suggesting that.
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