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In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
12-19-2019, 10:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2019, 10:42 PM by crazyfamily.)
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In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
Oh, a reversal from Yates. Didn’t expect that.

(12-19-2019, 10:08 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: ...especially when a correct and complete solve will require a long list of consecutive clues to be correct.... in a place as large as the Rockies, no one is going to stumble onto a correct solve with that many lucky guesses

and this is precisely why f has never made a comment using that specific wording ... the way you stated it ... that someone/anyone has "solved" or deciphered the first clue but didn't know it

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
”No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

Or they might have found it without realizing it?
Yes

They might have found it without realizing it...yes.



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12-19-2019, 11:06 PM,
#12
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 10:26 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Oh, a reversal from Yates. Didn’t expect that.

(12-19-2019, 10:08 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: ...especially when a correct and complete solve will require a long list of consecutive clues to be correct.... in a place as large as the Rockies, no one is going to stumble onto a correct solve with that many lucky guesses

and this is precisely why f has never made a comment using that specific wording ... the way you stated it ... that someone/anyone has "solved" or deciphered the first clue but didn't know it

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
”No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

Or they might have found it without realizing it?
Yes

They might have found it without realizing it...yes.

Or Fenn may be tricky with words here. Finding the first clue doesn't necessarily mean solving the first clue. Also, "knowing" the first clue seems to be different from "finding" it in Fenn's comment above. What does "knowing" mean in that context?
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12-19-2019, 11:26 PM,
#13
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 11:06 PM)Beavertooth Wrote:
(12-19-2019, 10:26 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Oh, a reversal from Yates. Didn’t expect that.

(12-19-2019, 10:08 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: ...especially when a correct and complete solve will require a long list of consecutive clues to be correct.... in a place as large as the Rockies, no one is going to stumble onto a correct solve with that many lucky guesses

and this is precisely why f has never made a comment using that specific wording ... the way you stated it ... that someone/anyone has "solved" or deciphered the first clue but didn't know it

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
”No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

Or they might have found it without realizing it?
Yes

They might have found it without realizing it...yes.

Or Fenn may be tricky with words here. Finding the first clue doesn't necessarily mean solving the first clue. Also, "knowing" the first clue seems to be different from "finding" it in Fenn's comment above. What does "knowing" mean in that context?
Agree identifying and solving are two different things
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12-20-2019, 01:43 AM,
#14
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 05:50 PM)brubr Wrote:
(12-19-2019, 03:27 PM)HankJonesJr. Wrote: How many think that you can find WWWH without boots on the ground?

I do.

For sure you just have to define halt...
just saying ss
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01-05-2020, 11:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-06-2020, 12:53 PM by crazyfamily.)
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In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 11:06 PM)Beavertooth Wrote:
(12-19-2019, 10:26 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Oh, a reversal from Yates. Didn’t expect that.

(12-19-2019, 10:08 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: ...especially when a correct and complete solve will require a long list of consecutive clues to be correct.... in a place as large as the Rockies, no one is going to stumble onto a correct solve with that many lucky guesses

and this is precisely why f has never made a comment using that specific wording ... the way you stated it ... that someone/anyone has "solved" or deciphered the first clue but didn't know it

Do expect that people will somehow *know* for sure once they have found the first clue?
”No, many people have found the first clue but they didn’t know it. Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.”

Or they might have found it without realizing it?
Yes

They might have found it without realizing it...yes.

Or Fenn may be tricky with words here. Finding the first clue doesn't necessarily mean solving the first clue. Also, "knowing" the first clue seems to be different from "finding" it in Fenn's comment above. What does "knowing" mean in that context?

What does discovered mean in that context? I think everyone overthinks Fenn's comments like these.


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01-06-2020, 02:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2020, 08:52 AM by fundamental design.)
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RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 10:08 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(12-19-2019, 05:06 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Precisely. That’s what we’re missing.

This has been hashed out for years, but there are a few things that I think are important.

1) many have solved the first clue, but they won’t know it until the treasure is found. The solution to the first clue is common enough for many to have solved it.

2) water doesn’t have to be halted there, IT begins at a place where warm waters halt. WWWH could be an entirely theoretical place where you find IT. Or just where IT starts.

#1 is false and obviously so

moreover, you can't solve something and not know it's correct, because that would defeat the whole purpose of making something solvable

especially when a correct and complete solve will require a long list of consecutive clues to be correct.... in a place as large as the Rockies, no one is going to stumble onto a correct solve with that many lucky guesses

and this is precisely why f has never made a comment using that specific wording ... the way you stated it ... that someone/anyone has "solved" or deciphered the first clue but didn't know it

that wouldn't even make any sense

and to believe such an absurdity renders the idea of solving/deciphering clues completely meaningless

there would be no way to tell the difference between solving something correctly or solving it incorrectly, which would mean this whole thing is a sham

Not necessarily. You are leaving out one aspect of the chain of solving. It could be the only thing able to be solved to a degree of certainty in the string of hints and clues are the hints. Like I’ve been saying. That makes what f and some of what cf said above all possible.


Howdy, Mister.
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01-06-2020, 03:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-06-2020, 03:36 PM by crazyfamily.)
#17
In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
Well, that’s the problem with code solvers. The correct solution would require the whole code before any clue can be recognized. It’s an abomination of the cake analogy where all of the cake ingredients are all dumped in the bowl at once, icing, sprinkles and all.


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01-06-2020, 04:28 PM,
#18
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
In my opinion, we -- *well*, not ALL of us, but perhaps most of us -- are missing sufficient use of a dictionary. Those of us who have used it sufficiently would know the definition of "halt" and the definition of "carnal" (somebody earlier in this thread talked about knowledge).
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01-08-2020, 01:58 PM,
#19
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 03:27 PM)HankJonesJr. Wrote: How many think that you can find WWWH without boots on the ground?

I don't know how many. But I am one of the people that does think that
one can find WWWH without boots on the ground.
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01-08-2020, 06:31 PM,
#20
RE: In Your Opinion - What Are We Missing?
(12-19-2019, 03:27 PM)HankJonesJr. Wrote: How many think that you can find WWWH without boots on the ground?

Yes. Forrest said as much when he replied to that question about the Indian Girl. She can correctly speculate the first two clues from Mumbai but would need to go there and scope out the general area to start figuring out the rest of the clues.

It makes logical sense to me that we should start somewhere very public and follow a route to somewhere very private.
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