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Q & A
09-13-2020, 01:17 PM,
RE: Q & A
Please don't "sprinkle" on my leg and claim it's raining!

09-13-2020, 05:41 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-13-2020, 06:24 PM by davidkindc.)
RE: Q & A
(09-13-2020, 12:59 PM)NTMI Wrote: Watch the video for a minute from the 5:00 mark.

If I could find a book to take the bet, I'd place one on Mr. Fenn having done much more to help preserve some good things about "the way things used to be" than is publicly known. If so, it will be the part of his legacy that matters most, whether his name is attached or not.
09-13-2020, 07:25 PM,
RE: Q & A
There is no legacy, only smoldering ruins.
09-14-2020, 12:53 AM,
RE: Q & A
I neglected to ask a question on my last two posts, so here's an easy one.

When did FF first mention wanting to give people hope?
Quote: "I don’t know, I feel halfway kind of glad, halfway kind of sad because the chase is over.” -f
09-14-2020, 10:30 AM,
RE: Q & A
halfway, halfway... it seemed to me that he was stressing that word.
09-14-2020, 10:56 AM,
RE: Q & A
(09-14-2020, 10:30 AM)HankJonesJr. Wrote: halfway, halfway... it seemed to me that he was stressing that word.

Maybe my Midway Bluff solve was correct, after all. In the old days, Midway Bluff was considered part of "Hell's Half Acre".

There is another "Hell's Half Acre" on the road where Forrest was put out of his brother's car for a time (in TTOTC).

There was a recent scrapbook about Forrest going to hell.

09-14-2020, 01:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-14-2020, 01:48 PM by trigace.)
RE: Q & A
(09-13-2020, 12:59 PM)NTMI Wrote:
(09-13-2020, 11:08 AM)trigace Wrote:
(09-12-2020, 09:36 PM)NTMI Wrote:
(09-12-2020, 08:39 PM)davidkindc Wrote: [quote="crazyfamily" pid='241813' dateline='1599951637']
Air raid drill.

Yes, or along those lines. Anything that had to be announced by way of the school's alarm system. It seems unlikely, but schools in the 40s had them. However. before the advent of electricity, communities were notified of those events by way of a centrally located behemoth of a bell. There are many instances in which Forrest referenced bells. And sitting up on top of that tower in the picture (not the diving platform picture) was a GREAT BIG BELL, like the one that Forrest's father sent to the government war effort to "ring in the ears of Hitler and Hirohito".

Quote:Good answer. I'm too young to have experienced those but too old to have been subjected to "active shooter" drills. Fire drills were always a good time, though. Even for a kid with OCD.

NTMI - Bow drills or hand drills?

Not necessarily drills, but bell announced communication, davidkindc. In particular, scrapbook 172 - which outlines the agreed-to communication that Peggy could effect with the bell at the Fenn residence.

"Because it personally cannot relate its history, my bell tower invites little more than a curious glance. I wonder if the owners of my home a hundred years from now will appreciate the dichotomy that stands just off the east end of my portal." -f

Now, the bell tower that FF referenced in his backyard was little more than an old cedar pole, yet he wrote of it as "my bell tower". And I just know that you can guess in which direction that bell tower in the picture of Page 4 stands from the opera house made of yellow stone - the home of...

You guys will never get it. The bell on top of the wood post just east of his back door refers to actual images in the search area. There is a huge bell image just east of an old log cabin's east door. And that bell image butts up against a large D-shaped sprinkled hayfield with 10 semicircular rings that look like tree rings of a huge tree.

The tree rings are the arced paths of ten wheelbases that support an 1800 foot long sprinkler line. The semicircular rings look like giant D's. On the end of the sprinkler line is a cantilevered upward sprinkler pipe that looks just like a "praying" mantis. So the praying mantis "prayed for D's" as it moved around the D arcs.

That sprinkler line is the object of Fenn's bookstore girl who showed her strut (struts supporting sprinkler pipe) and tossed her thick braids back and forth (large sprinkler head at end of pipe that sprays back and forth) like they had purpose. She had just raised her coffee cup to take a sip when Fenn noticed that the cup all but covered her whole face. Well folks, the coffee sipping girl is the sprinkler line with water being pumped through it. And when the sprinkler line is next to the large bell shaped image, which also looks just like a coffee cup with a handle, it could be imagined that the sprinkler line is sipping coffee from the cup.

The girl shows Fenn some books. One is "Catcher in the Rye." There's an image of a catcher's mitt or hand stretched out in a catching position. It is just above the D-shaped sprinkled field and it is surrounded in rye grass.

Another book she shows him is "For Whom the Bell Tolls". This is represented by the huge image of a bell, or coffee cup. "Tolls" is two L's which must be drawn next to and on the bell.

The Great Gatsby, emphasized by the two capital G's, is represented by the large catcher (hand) that also looks like a large cursive G.

Fenn said he had to stand in the long checkout line. This is also represented by the sprinkler line. He said it went very slow but finally moved upon the impulse selection of two borderline biddies preoccupied with some kind of breathtaking nonsense. The sprinkler line moves very slowly and is controlled by electrical impulses. The water is pumped from from a body of water that is near the border of private property. The biddies are geese that live in the area and honk out breathtaking nonsense when people get near.

There is a rusty/red old Ford pickup truck not far outside the "Border's Bookstore" (where it rained from the sprinkler pipes both trips to the store). Since it was not in the bookstore area it couldn't be considered a book so Fenn inferred that Robert Redford (the red pickup truck) never wrote anything.

There are dozens of other hints just in this "Important Literature" chapter. It can all be found in the final search area.

These images and this location are supported completely by following 7 of the 9 clues in consecutive order. The 8th and 9th clues must be solved in this area and must be used more than once. Most scrapbook hints relate directly to this area.

I think that Forrest arranged for the chest to be "found" whether he did it personally, which I doubt, or by someone else.

I admire your unwavering belief in your ideas, trigace, I honestly do. When I first heard about the chase, I was absolutely convinced that the treasure was hidden at Treasure Falls at the base of Wolf Creek Pass in SW Colorado. I just couldn't fathom that other searchers could come to any other conclusion, when all of the clues and hints pointed to Treasure Falls like one of those sign-twirled oversized arrows.

I'm curious, though - have you ever gone boots-on-the-ground at your site? I walked every square inch of Treasure Falls, and once I did I had to conclude that all of the disparaging that I did over other searchers' ideas was not really necessary nor was it appropriate. So, if I can prevent others from suffering that same humility....

(09-13-2020, 12:05 PM)davidkindc Wrote:
(09-12-2020, 09:36 PM)NTMI Wrote: And I just know that you can guess in which direction that bell tower in the picture of Page 4 stands from the opera house made of yellow stone - the home of...

Most folks would just say "across the street" I think. Some might add "and down the hill a bit". Maybe I'm being difficult.

Not at all, davidkindc. Watch the video for a minute from the 5:00 mark.

Yes, I've been to my search area probably over 100 times. Each time I got more confirmations related to the scrapbooks Fenn put out. I had maybe 40 or 50 other trips before I honed in on this general location. I started out by finding HOB and soon worked it back to an easily confirmed WWWH, which has a dual meaning, as does many other clues. I went too far at first and did like some others who got the first 2 clues then went by the next 7 clues. But by going back I got back on the right track only to get off again before finding the most likely blaze possible, with 3 confirmations right within the poem clues.

After struggling on the tarry scant clue for a while, it soon became obvious and I continued on to the final 4 clues. These took me a year or two of searching to refine to a smaller area....which was "back in the box" of private property that I had been trying to avoid. Once my search was solidly confirmed to be in this area it still took me a couple of years to get to the correct spot.

I kept thinking the TC had to be beyond where the clues took me. I had to go back to the spot, a small pond or swamp in the shape of a catcher's hand, also like a cursive G. Also, a swamp is a fen. I've walked around and near that pond probably 50 times.

The clues describe lines that must be drawn to and through that pond to get to the TC. The problem was, if you didn't apply the clues and draw the lines on GE and then use those line lengths at the correct position on the ground, it wouldn't get you to the TC. No one seems to take seriously that "the end is ever drawing nigh" means you must seemingly forever draw the necessary lines to get to the end. This line of the poem was strategically placed after the 2nd clue (HOB) because it's where you must go past the final search area to get to clue #3, then #4, #5, and finally back near the final search area where you have clues #6, #7, #8, and #9. In other words you are making a loop, passing the TC location, and then going back to the TC location. Didn't Fenn say it seemed like he was talking in circles? The overall shape of all nine clues looks like a backwards 9 or 6.

NTMI, how many times have you been "on the ground" searching? How many hints from the book, scrapbooks, or even the poem can you get to fit your ground searches? Mine all fit. I find them all through TTOTC. Once you know the method Fenn uses they are easy to find if you are searching in the right location.

(09-13-2020, 01:17 PM)Beavertooth Wrote: Please don't "sprinkle" on my leg and claim it's raining!


Well, I think I've got a leg up on you, so.....

Fenn said he had "sprinkled" hints throughout TTOTC but I guess you'll never get it. Your effort won't be worth the cold when you sip from that cup.
09-14-2020, 01:52 PM,
RE: Q & A
(09-13-2020, 08:08 PM)wildfuntear Wrote:
(09-13-2020, 07:25 PM)question Wrote: There is no legacy, only smoldering ruins.

My 2 cents . . . one could choose to bring marshmallows to the "smoldering ruins", and toast the marshmallows. Also, (to some, including me),
seeing is believing. I'm still in this hunt, whether or not the chest turns
out to be like Pandora's box.

If you're unhappy about the hunt or the end of Fenn's life, you could go do
something that makes you happy.

Happiness is a mindset, and even poor people can achieve it. Cheers.

Okay Andrew, make yourself happy looking for a fictitious chest, but you can find some real ones on PornHub lmao.
09-14-2020, 03:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-14-2020, 03:09 PM by NTMI.)
RE: Q & A
(09-14-2020, 01:38 PM)trigace Wrote:
(09-13-2020, 12:59 PM)NTMI Wrote: [quote="trigace" pid='241829' dateline='1600013286']
[quote="NTMI" pid='241817' dateline='1599964595']
[quote="davidkindc" pid='241816' dateline='1599961157']
[quote="crazyfamily" pid='241813' dateline='1599951637']
Air raid drill.

NTMI, how many times have you been "on the ground" searching? How many hints from the book, scrapbooks, or even the poem can you get to fit your ground searches?

One time. It's all I needed. Actually, that's not true. I went a second time to collect more evidence, but where I went had been scrubbed clean, from top to bottom. No matter, I had what I needed.

Others call it confirmation bias when you make your discoveries fit the clues. Here's a couple of examples of mine.

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This is a generic logo similar to what Opera browser uses. Big red O. It's universally employed by community opera companies as well. Now, sometime back, Forrest had said that he renamed the chest Indulgence. He also said that he originally named it Tarzan.
Why would he name it Tarzan?

He also mentioned an I "O" U that he may - or may not - have left in the chest.

It always makes sense to us, but trying to convince others can be a real pain, can't it?

Still looking to nail down a time frame of when Forrest said he wanted to give people hope.
Quote: "I don’t know, I feel halfway kind of glad, halfway kind of sad because the chase is over.” -f
09-14-2020, 03:12 PM,
RE: Q & A
The shape of many of the images on the ground at the final search area are man made. Such as the ants ear (answer), a trophy (trove), the giant D's (sprinkled semicircular field), the crescent moon, the fen (pond), and the many giant letters (C, D, E, F, G, K, M, S, U, and W.) Other shapes and letters must be drawn per poem directions.

This area was developed into a sprinkled farm in 2006 (as seen on GE for that year.) Those man made images were made at that time. I think Forrest may have had a hand in this development, especially the pond/fen. It was made to fit the clues he would put in his poem. The location is at a huge double omega image. It's border is fenced. You must go through a "maze" of brush to get to the search area, so you will be amazed. He made two trips to hide the TC because there are two partially hidden ditches with vegetation that you almost always trip over going in.

The field isn't exactly circular, there are aberrations around the edges.

You must save your best smile until after you raise the lid because the smile line of the largest D of the field is partially camouflaged with vegetation. That area of vegetation looks like the lid of a toilet (the bell/coffee cup image) that is partially down. If it could be raised, the full smile of the 10th D would be exposed.

The one who finds the TC will be the one who can best adjust. Best adjust = best add right. The last clue directs you to add lines to the right.

When you draw the lines for the position of the sprinkler line at two different locations that are about 30 degrees apart, as directed by the poem, it forms the image of cone, that is also the image of a vaulted, or arched ceiling. This is next to the search area. Fenn said the finder should put the TC in a vault for 30 days and think about it. "It" is actually one of the lines forming the vault (Why is "it" that I must go...) So he's hinting at the TC location being next to the 30 degree image vault formed by "it."

Fenn also said the TC is not on top of a mountain but it is near the TOP. The cone is also the shape of a TOP (a spinning toy that Forrest carved as a boy), so the TC is near the sprinkler lines that form a TOP image when the lines are drawn. The TC is not near the top of a mountain.

The pond/fen/G also looks like a giant bear. It is next to the top of the sprinkled field. Fenn said to go a certain distance (I think Fenn used a mile, but it doesn't matter what the distance is) in a straight line then turn right 90 degrees and continue to go another mile but along an arc or curved line, then turn right 90 degrees again and go in a straight line back to where you began. Then he asked what color was the bear? Well, if you follow his directions, starting at the base of the sprinkler line and go about 1800 feet in a straight line to the end of the sprinkler pipe then turn 90 degrees and go along a curved line the same distance - the outer curve of the sprinkled field - then turn 90 degrees and go back to where you began, you will have passed the pond-shaped bear near the end of the curved line portion of the walk. He described the pond shape and the sprinkler field in one story. No one got it.

Like I've said, I could go on and on with how his stories and hints fit this search area. But no one will get it.

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