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A thought about Dal
01-06-2021, 12:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-06-2021, 02:16 AM by Beavertooth.)
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RE: A thought about Dal
(01-05-2021, 10:47 PM)Mindy Wrote:
(01-05-2021, 09:04 PM)trueyeti Wrote:
(01-04-2021, 11:25 PM)PL289 Wrote: I have a bit of a different take than the published finder. I believe FF wanted the site found and known by the community. I have always thought there was more at “the spot” than just the treasure FF left in a repop bronze chest he found a picture of on google and had remade. If i find the spot, and I’m confident it’s correct and there is nothing else valuable other than the view, I’ll happily publish my spot location, the reasoning, and the poem solution i used to get there. I think that knowledge is owed to the community who embarked on the Chase, and if a long hauler can help bring closure to some then i think that’s kinda like providing a cure for a cancer that people are having trouble getting rid of.

In closing, I think the published finder (because i think he was lucky instead of a genius) doesn’t fully realize the significance of the spot. I could be wrong of course, but I think there are multiple layers worth investigating with respect to the spots meaning, and the finder may not understand all those levels....although he wants us to think that he does because that belief will eventually sell his book. MAYBE. IMHO. WHO KNOWS?

I live in Colorado now, mainly because of the Chase. At some point once COVID is behind us, I’ve love for there to be a Colorado get together (dinner? Drinks? Potluck?) and those in attendance just go over and review any Wyoming solves they had over the years. I’ll volunteer to go over mine first and break the ice. It really doesn’t matter at this point, it’s all fun and games.


Jack is like, “Z,” the protagonist in the movie, “Ready Player One.” The movie is about “Z’s” quest for the “Golden Egg,” and it, can be equated to the Grail, in the myth of “The Search for the Holy Grail”.

The search for Forrest Fenn’s treasure chest is like the mythical search for the Grail. In the movie, “Z,” is short for “Percival,” and in one of the myth stories of the “Search for the Holy Grail,” the seeker and the finder, is named, “Percival”.

The meaning of the myth, “The Search for the Holy Grail,” has been debated by scholars for centuries.

The search for Forrest Fenn’s treasure chest can easily be equated to the search for the Grail. It only takes a bit of imagination to use a metaphorical “looking glass,” to “see,” the comparison.

Scholars, debate to derive meaning, and the myth-story of the search for the Grail is like a metaphor, that can be used describe the quest for meaning. A person may spend an entire lifetime looking for meaning for themselves. For Forrest’s Poem, “meaning,” will answer the questions we have.

For boomer’s, gen X’ers, and Millennials alike, the quest for the Grail, is timeless. Seekers seek meaning and answers, and their quest, in my opinion, relates to the myth of the Search for the Holy Grail.

Knowledge of the search, I believe, will flush-out the meaning we seek PL289. I like everything you say, and the way that you think, and seek to take nothing away from you. I only wish to add my comment to yours. You are a brave seeker in Colorado.

I trust that our knowledge, and our communities’ knowledge, will discover, “the answers that Forrest already knows”. (Line in poem). Once known, the answers will be known, to all of us.

Have a drink on me loco, (I live in New Mexico).

(01-05-2021, 04:13 PM)Mindy Wrote:
(01-04-2021, 10:39 PM)PL289 Wrote: So, I’m a nobody, and I wish the person who had found the chest would have been a long haul searcher who was deserving an not someone who would just sell it to the highest bidder. I get why the finder is making that choice, but I don’t have to agree with it or be happy with the outcome.

Here is my take on the above comments about Dal, whom I’ve disagreed with on occasion, but still appreciate what he did I for the Chase, to the extent I am aware of his altruistic running of his website for the community....

Mindy, if i were Dal and had an unlimited supply of money, I’d sue you silly for the bull spit you are are spewing and putting out into the ether. Ban me for saying that but you should delete your unfounded insinuations about people in general.

You are all seemingly supporting and promoting some conspiracy to defraud the world that includes a failed med student, a dead air force pilot, his deceased wife, deceased friends, living friends, his remaining family, grandkids, and a guy named Dal living on an island in Washington State who has better things to do than listen to your bull spit. The person who found this chest was always going to be the luckiest person in the world who happened upon the right first guess and then stuck with it because he or she believed in the clues they thought they found. That’s it, nothing else. I never liked the process, but I always knew that was what i signed up for. I never met FF, or dal, or most of you crazy focks, but i had fun while it lasted. Now keep hiking, or just go pound sand.


I would welcome a lawsuit from ANYONE I’ve spoken the truth about, because, you know, the truth is the ultimate defense.

The only thing I proposed in my op was that Dal knew who the “finder” really was when the first “fraud” finder’s article was published. Does someone have a link to that article? The one with the pic of the guy in a cowboy hat looking down so his face is obscured? To me, that article seemed more plausible as being from a “regular guy” finder than the Medium article Jack supposedly wrote.

So why didn’t Dal publish that first article? He’d posted links to just about every other article written on the subject, but ignored that one.

If Dal published the Medium article, it’s certain that he knew the first finder was a fraud and that Jack was the “true” finder. Which meant at the time the first article was published shortly after the announcement that the chest was found, Dal already knew who the real “finder” was.

My suspicions is that Dal was the one who took the pics in the lawyers office with Jack. And Dal is the one who manipulated the photos in order to stir up controversy and drama.

I’m not saying I doubt the finder IS Jack. He very well could be—I have no way of knowing, and I don’t care. My suspicion is that FF made him sign a legal document that prevented Jack from speaking about the clues or the location, and I’ve already stated a few times why I believe that.

But I will say this— there are things that don’t add up. Surely, since the blaze is now destroyed, or nearly so, Jack could reveal what it was, without giving away the location. Surely, Jack could reveal whether it was inside YNP or outside, without giving away too much.

And many others have pointed out many other inconsistencies, like Jack napping in the shade of the pines in nearly freezing weather, and why on earth Jack doesn’t have the TC in a vault or safety deposit box closer to home. And I won’t go into the inconsistencies between what jack has said and what was written in the Medium article.

I do know Dan Barberisi—my story is in his upcoming work, and we have spoken at great length many many times. He told me in a recent email that he couldn’t wait for the rest of Jack’s “story” to come out in the pages of his book.


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I think your logic is sound and it leads to the creation of new questions. Your post opens doors, question is, which one(s) do we go through?


None of them. Why worry about something you have no control over and can’t change? Smile


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I guess my answer to your fun joke is because I like the movie "Girl Interupted," and what Angelina says about buttons that need to be pushed? I guess buttons and doors are similar in nature, and asking questions is like pushing buttons and opening doors. True dat, to the control option and change. But something about worry? Nobody knows, the trouble I've seen, nobody knows but...if I knew how to place a smiley face emoji it would be smiling and inserted here. Maybe if I make myself change, which changes would be helpful? None of them..insert smiley face here. Smile hehehe
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01-07-2021, 05:24 AM,
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RE: A thought about Dal
(01-05-2021, 05:36 PM)question Wrote:
(01-05-2021, 04:13 PM)Mindy Wrote: I do know Dan Barberisi—my story is in his upcoming work, and we have spoken at great length many many times. He told me in a recent email that he couldn’t wait for the rest of Jack’s “story” to come out in the pages of his book.

Juicy.

And yeah, I think Dal took the pictures as well -- on that special "trip".

And furthermore , who were the people at dinner with him on Dals special trip ? It turned into a scrapbook . THOSE people at THAT dinner that night , are in my opinion the ones that got the bulk deal .Dal , Cynthia , and 2 of his best friends that go WAY back when Forrest was caught on that video of the train , which Cynthia shows up in as well , before the chase happened

And nobody has ever noticed the Medium article that said Jacket Offer had moved to a place with more security beefed up because he was worried about the weirdos ....Well , Cynthia just sold her house and moved to a gated community with security in Vegas . And that article did sound feminine , imho
"The first game on the list ! .....Go right through Faulkens Maze ."
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01-07-2021, 09:39 AM,
#23
A thought about Dal
The blaze being “partially destroyed” is just more plausible deniability fodder cooked into Steuf’s cheesy finder story that already has more holes in it than a fine gruyere. Grab your toothpicks for more tidbits from Jack’s fondue fountain of false Fenn fantasies!
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01-19-2021, 10:30 PM,
#24
RE: A thought about Dal
(01-07-2021, 09:39 AM)Ayani Wrote: The blaze being “partially destroyed” is just more plausible deniability fodder cooked into Steuf’s cheesy finder story that already has more holes in it than a fine gruyere. Grab your toothpicks for more tidbits from Jack’s fondue fountain of false Fenn fantasies!

So are people actually saying Jack Steuf (Steal Stuff?) didn’t find the treasure, and is just a patsy brought forth by Fenn in the end? Or is the main issue people seem to have concern the issues with Jack not solving more clues and pointing out the actually Lat/long? Just trying to understand where people think the conspiracy lies.
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01-19-2021, 10:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-19-2021, 10:41 PM by crazyfamily.)
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A thought about Dal
I think Jack came in the back door. He appears to have figured out where Forrest wanted to die and reverse engineered the clues. He hasn’t mentioned a single thing outside of public knowledge about the clues—aside from the comment that the blaze was damaged.

Seems kinda like long odds to me. Then he searched for the blaze for 25 days over two years in a section of forest the size of a football field.

I’m not gonna claim some kinda nefarious activity, but wtf. Forrest must have been thrilled to find someone who thinks like him.
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01-20-2021, 12:28 AM,
#26
RE: A thought about Dal
He had a big advantage coming late to the party. He had much more information available to him that he could look at objectively without the bias of the Fenn initial evasiveness. It is a lot easier looking at everything as a whole and making a logical decision than collecting the facts over 8 years.
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01-20-2021, 01:09 AM,
#27
RE: A thought about Dal
Of course Dal is involved . Many of the posters on this site are involved as well. The Chase is still alive and Forrest is still alive at - 701 Buzz Blvd Buena Vista Colorado.

Big day on Thursday 1/21/21. PGA's 68th birthday.
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01-20-2021, 11:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-21-2021, 12:13 AM by crazyfamily.)
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A thought about Dal
(01-20-2021, 12:28 AM)Top Secret Wrote: He had a big advantage coming late to the party. He had much more information available to him that he could look at objectively without the bias of the Fenn initial evasiveness. It is a lot easier looking at everything as a whole and making a logical decision than collecting the facts over 8 years.

I wondered a few times about the possibility that it might be easier to solve the poem in the future. Before Forrest said that it might be more difficult to find the clues in 3009 because the geography is changing, or whatever, he said that it might be 2000 years, “...would be perfect.” Something like that.

That could be it. Maybe it did become easier to solve in the future.



I just couldn’t get over...

Truchas
Vallecito Abajo
Cordova—cordovan
Tsimayoh—Chimayo
...
Tsiyi
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01-21-2021, 11:36 AM,
#29
RE: A thought about Dal
(01-20-2021, 11:59 PM)crazyfamily Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 12:28 AM)Top Secret Wrote: He had a big advantage coming late to the party. He had much more information available to him that he could look at objectively without the bias of the Fenn initial evasiveness. It is a lot easier looking at everything as a whole and making a logical decision than collecting the facts over 8 years.

I wondered a few times about the possibility that it might be easier to solve the poem in the future. Before Forrest said that it might be more difficult to find the clues in 3009 because the geography is changing, or whatever, he said that it might be 2000 years, “...would be perfect.” Something like that.

That could be it. Maybe it did become easier to solve in the future.



I just couldn’t get over...

Truchas
Vallecito Abajo
Cordova—cordovan
Tsimayoh—Chimayo
...
Tsiyi
There is a natural tendency to make the solve more creative and difficult over time. The poem was very vague at the start, Fenny clarified a lot since then, but too late for many as they had already bit hard into their bias. Once that happens you cannot become the one who adjusts.
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01-21-2021, 03:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-21-2021, 03:48 PM by filmguy.)
#30
RE: A thought about Dal
1) Jack said the blaze was damaged. He didn't repair the damage. Reading point #2 would make you believe he also damaged the blaze further to make it nonexistent.

2) Jack said he backfilled the ditch/hole the chest was in. (Why would anyone do this is highly questionable). Given how much time its been since Jack did this you can assume it's back to its natural looking roots (before Fenn).

Taking these two things into account means it's a waste of time in trying to solve the poem. It's clear there's no magical process that will lock the poem to an exact spot. And since all confirmation of the correct solve has been erased by Jack then its impossible to come to any conclusion. Why are people still trying to solve the poem? Why are people even talking about the solve since it clearly no longer exists (outside of Jack's memory and possibly the meeting video)?

To all those still reading through the poem and trying to solve it I say walk to your Doctor and have them prescribe you Prozac or Zoloft. You clearly need a little something in order to get on with your life.
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