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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
04-14-2019, 02:08 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I don't think he said "I could walk right straight to it." but "I could go right straight to it." Not much point except I am a stickler for accuracy, and of course you qualified the quote by saying you were paraphrasing. There may be a "I could walk right" quote but I don't recall it. My real point here is that he says goes right not left to get to the chest. Presumably it is right in the middle. All the people went "right past" it and not left past it, but they passed it one way or the other. I'm not clear as to whether the chest was on their left or right when they passed it.

Another belief of mine is that there are switch backs involved. I'm not clear as to whether he is saying don't take them or not. I know what he said at Moby Dickens but that was a bizarrely phrased question. The lady said something like: "will you find yourself switching back on yourself." That is paraphrased from memory and might be off a bit but it was phrased so poorly that it was meaningless. What does it even mean to "find yourself switching back." Like if you're walking along the trail will you find another copy of yourself "switching back"? Or will you somehow "find yourself" as in "discovering your true nature" or whatever it is that people mean when they talk about "finding" themselves. Forrest answered negatively but the question was phrased so poorly that he could answer any way he liked. When I thumb through TFTW I see only a few things that stand out, one of which is the "international not sign" through the small switch. I think at the very least that means don't take the smaller switchback. It might mean the bigger switchback is OK to take or maybe it means don't take any switchback. Another thing in TFTW that sticks out to me is the Underwood typewriter. There are a few more things in there that I think don't need mentioning.
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04-14-2019, 06:52 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 02:08 PM)John Brown Wrote: I don't think he said "I could walk right straight to it." but "I could go right straight to it." Not much point except I am a stickler for accuracy, and of course you qualified the quote by saying you were paraphrasing. There may be a "I could walk right" quote but I don't recall it. My real point here is that he says goes right not left to get to the chest. Presumably it is right in the middle. All the people went "right past" it and not left past it, but they passed it one way or the other. I'm not clear as to whether the chest was on their left or right when they passed it.

Another belief of mine is that there are switch backs involved. I'm not clear as to whether he is saying don't take them or not. I know what he said at Moby Dickens but that was a bizarrely phrased question. The lady said something like: "will you find yourself switching back on yourself." That is paraphrased from memory and might be off a bit but it was phrased so poorly that it was meaningless. What does it even mean to "find yourself switching back." Like if you're walking along the trail will you find another copy of yourself "switching back"? Or will you somehow "find yourself" as in "discovering your true nature" or whatever it is that people mean when they talk about "finding" themselves. Forrest answered negatively but the question was phrased so poorly that he could answer any way he liked. When I thumb through TFTW I see only a few things that stand out, one of which is the "international not sign" through the small switch. I think at the very least that means don't take the smaller switchback. It might mean the bigger switchback is OK to take or maybe it means don't take any switchback. Another thing in TFTW that sticks out to me is the Underwood typewriter. There are a few more things in there that I think don't need mentioning.

The first part of your reply is in response to what Seannm laid out in a post he wrote...just to be clear.

It is interesting to read your thoughts in your second paragraph. Good stuff.


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04-14-2019, 07:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2019, 07:13 PM by jeanniewalls.)
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

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04-14-2019, 08:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2019, 08:08 PM by Chris Yates.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 07:05 PM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

this might be true, but it isn't helpful imo. in other words, it isn't an effective idea/approach that could be used to find a successful solve imo

people are finding a starting point and spending years of their life trying to construct the clues to the end.

after failing to do so, if this is their indication that the starting point was wrong and they can finally accept that then ...

the next step is to choose another starting point and hope this time they can construct a clue path?

no, this is a recipe for repeated failure. you have to know you have the first clue correct to have a chance. and logically it would follow each clue thereafter has confirmation

f has stated repeatedly how important it is, the first clue. and we have to have it "nailed down"

where in the phrase "nailed down" is somebody out there getting the impression it means, "hey, i think this might be the first clue, but i'm not really sure. shucks, i think i'll just try to figure it out from here anyway!"
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04-14-2019, 08:20 PM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I agree to a point, but when my first solve didnt pan out I went to the next wwh it can work for some

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04-14-2019, 09:57 PM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 08:06 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(04-14-2019, 07:05 PM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

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To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

this might be true, but it isn't helpful imo. in other words, it isn't an effective idea/approach that could be used to find a successful solve imo

people are finding a starting point and spending years of their life trying to construct the clues to the end.

after failing to do so, if this is their indication that the starting point was wrong and they can finally accept that then ...

the next step is to choose another starting point and hope this time they can construct a clue path?

no, this is a recipe for repeated failure. you have to know you have the first clue correct to have a chance. and logically it would follow each clue thereafter has confirmation

f has stated repeatedly how important it is, the first clue. and we have to have it "nailed down"

where in the phrase "nailed down" is somebody out there getting the impression it means, "hey, i think this might be the first clue, but i'm not really sure. shucks, i think i'll just try to figure it out from here anyway!"

I feel the clues have confirmation in them as well. The trouble with it, I think, is that we have no way of knowing how difficult difficult-but-not-impossible actually is. I think I have some solutions to rival anyone’s, but I can say with certainty that I’m no Forrest Fenn. It has taken about everything I’ve got to get to this point. Even if I’m right about what I’ve got, I may not be smart enough to finish it.


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04-27-2019, 06:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-27-2019, 06:40 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I had a discussion with JDA while posting on Dal’s the other day. Although JDA has changed his solve techniques many times after his 25 or so botg, he still utilizes what he believes are clues in the 5th and 6th stanza.

JDA is one of those that also believes when f said wwwh is the first clue that f might not have said the whole first clue...as in and take it in the canyon down is still part of clue one.

JDA then presented this example which I thought was actually a good idea. It just didn’t turn out like JDA thought it would because I brought up a point in my response that differed from his original objective. It’s those unintended points that pop up once in awhile that one might want to see are very important to hash out in one’s perspective of the poem clues.

My response to JDA is below the dashed line.

JDA said: If you want to go from Albuquerque, New Mexico to Los Angeles – Where do you start? You start at Albuquerque – of course. Would you start at Flagstaff Arizona? Probably not.

“Start at the beginning.” Logical. Forrest knows that WWWH = Albuquerque, so THAT is where you must start. You can Not WISH your car to Flagstaff, and begin there – It just ain’t gonna work – JMO – JDA

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So with the reasoning you’re giving here, wwwh is the starting point (and equals Albuquerque in your example). You are making my point for me since f has defined a clue as something that gets one closer to the treasure. That definition of a clue by f starts at clue 1…which you just said is wwwh/Albuquerque.

Going to Flagstaff, Az (equals canyon down in your hypothetical example) is a place closer to the treasure than Albuquerque so it must be the next clue and not part of the first clue. Two separate places. One is closer than the other to the treasure.

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I think JDA’s hypothetical example of starting in Albuquerque (the correct wwwh) and proceeding to Flagstaff (canyon down) and ending up in Los Angeles (the treasure found) does help us get a vision of how f defined what a clue does for us because these distances are on a much bigger scale. Since they are of such large scale it’s easy to see that one possible clue- canyon down (Flagstaff), or hoB, is much closer to Los Angeles than Albuquerque (I’m guessing, as I didn’t check that on a map, lol.).

So, this has the same implications for the 9 sentences equals the 9 clues followers.

One other point, they also discussed in the last few days my theory about their being possible backstory in the first stanza of the poem since I brought up the nope, nope question and answer (again, lol). JDA still doesn’t get my logic with it but that’s par for the course. Seeker started to get it though. I would add a detail to Seekers thinking. It’s the first stanza in the poem that provides the all important (vital) SPECIFIC backstory to figure out the correct wwwh. All other backstory in the Chase doesn’t do that.


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04-28-2019, 06:23 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
gosh andrew-the conversation was pretty self explanatory.

if you mean specifically, I guess it would identify the area you are searching, by name.
This is why it is a word that is key, because you would be assured that you are on the right track, and a game changer.
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05-01-2019, 03:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2019, 03:04 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
“I guess maybe that rules out hints in the book being vital to solving the poem. Think that had been discussed adnauseum.”

-Seannm

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This is horrible logic. If it worked like this than I would be correct in saying your 9 sentences are the 9 clues theory is ruled out because it’s been discussed adnauseum. Or the punctuation.

The fact is there’s many things that have been talked about that are still vital in finding the tc. You still have to figure out the clues or do they get tossed too since they’ve been talked about? Does the blaze get tossed now? Smh

It can just mean there’s another component that supposedly hasn’t been discussed. Big whoop.


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05-02-2019, 12:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-02-2019, 12:48 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Q &A with school kids on MW...

2)The treasure chest is cool. I like reading and I will get some books from the library to help me solve your puzzle. What books should I get?
You should get The Thrill of the Chase.

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Sounds like the kid already has the puzzle (poem). Jenny is nearly pointing at the poem on the map. Interesting that f advises TTOTC book will help the kid solve his puzzle.


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