Not logged in. Login - Register


All new registrations need to be approved manually. After registration, mail me at tyblossom at aol dot com.
ChaseChat is available for Smartphones via Tapatalk, Download the app at http://tapatalk.com/m?id=4&referer=1048173. After installing CLICK HERE to add the forum to Tapatalk.

Thread Rating:
  • 10 Vote(s) - 2.2 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
07-15-2019, 11:08 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
what if the person who finds it has never read any of the books written by f? would that be what you are calling a "poem purist"?

ि
Reply
07-15-2019, 12:24 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(07-15-2019, 11:09 AM)fallingrock Wrote: https://youtu.be/zySmwCeFp0I



what if..?

Goonies
Reply
07-15-2019, 02:28 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Im sorry for all..but i have come to my conclusion of the poem. Im heading back in on the 26th to the area that all have passed.both searcher and tourist. To do this i need to use the back door. Until then i bid all adieu...
Reply
07-15-2019, 03:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2019, 03:31 PM by Beavertooth.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(07-14-2019, 05:54 PM)Top Secret Wrote: My flawed argument is a mirror of your flawed argument. I guess I could give you another example, "So you are calling Fenn a liar?" with you telling me the hints aren't subtle.

lol

You're not listening. The hints aren't subtle once you are on the right track.

And most of the time, he is a "liar" in a sense. People misinterpret what he says. Because he challenges us to misinterpret what he says. It is his great skill. His word skills are like a magician who wants us to "look at this" while he tricks us where we are not looking. In the final analysis, he is not really lying, he is presenting us with "truth" that may be misleading. That may make the hints "subtle" to the casual reader. But if you know what he is up to, then the hints are less subtle, and often the opposite of what you think.

While I may never be the actual finder of the chest, I hope I am passing along some worthwhile insights to those who will listen.

(07-14-2019, 10:04 PM)Top Secret Wrote:
(07-14-2019, 07:54 PM)fundamental design Wrote:
(07-14-2019, 02:17 PM)Beavertooth Wrote: I believe the poem can and does define WWWH to a very high level of probability, so I think the Powerball comparison by mm is too extreme.

I agree that the poem defines wwwh to a very high level of probability. I don’t think that says anything about how to gauge the odds of how difficult it is to find the tc.

I believe the poem is the guide as I have always but not to the high degree one thinks it is. But like Bt says there are hints in ttotc that will confirm it like the poem can’t.

Hmmm. Not sure I said exactly that. I believe the poem confirms WWWH so strongly, that no hints from TTOTC are needed to further confirm it. However, there are many, many hints in TTOTC that do so. For the remaining clues, some hints from TTOTC may be useful, but are probably not necessary. I would say that Fenn spoke the truth when he said the chest location could be solved by using the poem, a good map and/or Google Earth, and ....., so I have no issue with the poem purists. They have just as good a chance as non-poem purists, in my view. In my own case, TTOTC has helped, so I would not discount it, but I now see a clear path that does not need TTOTC stories, or scrapbooks, etc.
Reply
07-19-2019, 09:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-19-2019, 09:37 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
You see the following theory about the first stanza often. I don’t agree with the overall thought that the first stanza doesn’t help in finding the treasure. There’s one opinion about one line that I especially don’t see lining up with what f did and designed...

———————
As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, and hint of riches new and old. As being stated by the man that hid a treasure by himself in the mountains; he’s going to keep the secret where the treasure is hidden and he is going to give hints to find the treasure chest full of new and old gold and jewels within the poem. The first stanza I took as an intro. This stanza has no clues and does not help in finding the treasure.
————————

And hint of riches new and old. If what f is referring to in this line is just the tc full of new and old gold and jewels then that’s a way to say that f is only hinting at a full Indulgence. If so, then read that line again.

And hint of Indulgence. We already know about Indulgence from TTOTC book. Why take up precious poem line space to reiterate that? Then you get the line of thinking the first stanza is “just” an introduction. If it’s “just” an introduction, then why do we need backstory outside of the poem to complete the find? An introduction would supply enough info to allow most anyone to figure out that the poem is a treasure quest. But, plenty of searchers act like no one can figure out that subject of the poem is a treasure hunt.

At least the searcher’s theory above that I posted feels that f is giving hints in the poem. I just think they confuse the matter by saying the first stanza does not help in finding the treasure. I think f hints in the poem only in the first stanza.

I think the riches new and old can’t only be talking about what’s only in the tc. I think f is hinting at a story of old riches AND about the Chase riches. That’s because “hinting” of Indulgence doesn’t help with the clues, imo. I think the help we get for the clues from the hints will be much more objective in how they help. Their objectivity will be one of their most important traits.


Howdy, Mister.
Reply
08-04-2019, 12:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-04-2019, 12:30 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Here’s my late take on the flip side’s show on the blaze.

I thought all of the guests brought up some good points. Sean focused the discussion on two points: Do you feel the blaze can be found within the first few (4) clues of the poem? And is the blaze located as a marker that is close to the tc or is the blaze located in the distance somewhere? Sean also brought up if the blaze doesn’t face a particular direction, is it the searcher that needs to face a particular direction before looking quickly down.

I thought Crysty brought up a good point early on by saying maybe the blaze is not a smaller marker at the tc but is a bigger object that focuses down the searchers route or placement at that particular junction in the poem. This is what I believe. I don’t think the blaze is a small thing that is located very close to the tc.

Iron Will made a good point about how we have to keep in mind that f has said “All of them, in theory, but not likely in practice. A searcher must go to the site to find the treasure.” in response to being asked how much progress can be made by someone just thinking and searching the Internet from home. Sean then tried to make a point by reiterating “but not likely in practice” like that nullifies “all of them, in theory”. You got to take into account that, in reality, finding the tc, so far, from any and all possible routes has not be accomplished or ‘not likely in practice’. As in, making progress away from the armchair so far has been shown as not likely in practice too.

I liked Decall’s focus on there being some possible connection between the T.S. Elliot quote and the blaze and the correct beginning area or first clue in the poem. I’ve been saying that for a long time on this thread. I think I haven’t heard anyone else go deep into that approach. I think it is a clever approach. Sean asked the panel if they thought the blaze can be found, or figured out, in the first few (4) clues of the poem? I think they all said no. What none of them brought up, including Sean who asked the question, was can the blaze be found in the first stanza. That’s where I think the whole panel missed a chance to come up with a more compelling outcome. Decall might have brought up that it’s weird that the first clue starts in the second stanza. I agree. I don’t think the blaze can be determined from any of the other clues. The blaze will be determined before the other clues cause it’s in the hint stanza along with the correct starting location. They are one in the same.

If the blaze can be found in the first stanza, it follows that the blaze is a bigger object that is relatively farther away from the tc than all of the clues. This theory makes the idea that the blaze is a smaller marker in very close proximity to the tc as being practically useless. This is in part because, by f’s definition of what a clue is, each clue gets us closer to the tc.


Howdy, Mister.
Reply
08-04-2019, 01:12 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I think your analysis is deep. However, I think there's something more obvious about the blaze discussion that didn't get discussed on that video. I mentioned this on another forum and I got beat up for daring to analyze "found" vs. "find".

I'll dare to mention it here anyway:

Why does Fenn use "found" instead of "find" in this sentence. I know, I know, I know - not a new argument, but worthy of discussion imo. To me, he uses "found" so that we consider the less obvious meaning of that word: to establish or create.

That's all I'll say about this, because I don't want to get everyone riled up over here too.

Now, I need to get outside and cut my grass. I hope I'm wise enough to found my car keys and get gas for my mower. Smile

Milan
Reply
08-04-2019, 02:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-04-2019, 02:09 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-04-2019, 01:12 PM)Milan Wrote: I think your analysis is deep. However, I think there's something more obvious about the blaze discussion that didn't get discussed on that video. I mentioned this on another forum and I got beat up for daring to analyze "found" vs. "find".

I'll dare to mention it here anyway:

Why does Fenn use "found" instead of "find" in this sentence. I know, I know, I know - not a new argument, but worthy of discussion imo. To me, he uses "found" so that we consider the less obvious meaning of that word: to establish or create.

That's all I'll say about this, because I don't want to get everyone riled up over here too.

Now, I need to get outside and cut my grass. I hope I'm wise enough to found my car keys and get gas for my mower. Smile

Milan

I know what you mean, Milan. I think it’s always good to flexible with options in the Chase. I like your thought about “establish” the blaze. My next question would be what do you think is the earliest time in the process of figuring out the poem for establishing, or figuring out, the blaze?

I once did a big treasure hunt that was done by armchair and I came up with a sweet way to solve it. I also found objects from the weekly challenges and put them together to point to the last location. It turned out that wasn't the correct process but I still thought it was a better, or more elegant, solution than the crappy way the creators created it. Lol


Howdy, Mister.
Reply
08-04-2019, 02:20 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-04-2019, 01:12 PM)Milan Wrote: I mentioned this on another forum and I got beat up for daring to analyze "found" vs. "find".

I'll dare to mention it here anyway:

Why does Fenn use "found" instead of "find" in this sentence. I know, I know, I know - not a new argument, but worthy of discussion imo. To me, he uses "found" so that we consider the less obvious meaning of that word: to establish or create.

That's all I'll say about this, because I don't want to get everyone riled up over here too.

Milan

It doesn't rile me up. He clearly chose not to write: If you are wise and find the blaze . I assume he chose the words he used for a reason. That is why I holler at people for misquoting him.
Reply
08-04-2019, 07:03 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
It's important that he wrote that part of the poem exactly as he did. It relates to identifying the blaze,
which is critical to a good solve. Without a good solve, one can never find the TC. Don't mess with his
poem!
Reply


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The Path To Success Silentfly 75 37,819 07-14-2016, 10:20 PM
Last Post: Silentfly
  Success Box decall 6 3,835 10-08-2015, 10:51 AM
Last Post: Buddy Allen
  The Book contains so many hints & clues, its ridiculous OR Are Forrests hints common to every place hes been ? SantaFe 23 12,159 03-06-2014, 12:29 AM
Last Post: deb

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)
Contact Us | ChaseChat - Forrest Fenn's Forum | Return to Top | | Lite (Archive) Mode | RSS Syndication