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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
09-19-2019, 11:57 AM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
You’re right about one thing - this thread ranks right up there with Codes and Cyphers for using the most bandwidth without saying anything.


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09-19-2019, 12:00 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(09-19-2019, 11:57 AM)crazyfamily Wrote: You’re right about one thing - this thread ranks right up there with Codes and Cyphers for using the most bandwidth without saying anything.


razyfamily

Lame. You can do better. Say something compelling. Give us meaning...

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09-20-2019, 04:04 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-20-2019, 04:22 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Well, I got the Voltaires off my back, that wasn’t hard. That act like they or I control when or how Chase discussion evolves. Weird.

Anywhos, let’s think about if there’s a method or not in trying to determine what a hint is. The following nugget in this post will not be excessively repetitive of prior discussion in the Chase, at least I haven’t run across it before and I doubt anyone else has come up with this intriguing analysis. The following beauty, which might be the breakout the Chase has needed for years (lol), is what I was gonna post for Beavertooth if he accepted my bet. Tell him I would have won it...

Is there a method to being able to determine one of the hints in the Chase? It’s a very good question. I know the poem purists don't think so. But, I think they’re at a disadvantage because they haven’t figured out the following nugget. I’ve heard someone recently post their view that they don’t think there is a method. On the surface I can see how one would agree with that but I think it takes a deeper thought into it to say maybe there is a method. I guess you would have to pick a method and see how it goes.

One obvious method to try would be maybe f used a method of crafting/utilizing a hint where he didn’t explicitly mention the answer to the hint in his writing and the answer to the hint is a specific geographical location. Have you seen that method ever done in other treasure hunts? Obviously we have seen where clues were developed using that method. Isn’t that how the clues, at least most of them, have been developed in the Chase? So, try and see if the same method was utilized in crafting the hints. Makes sense...common sense (sorry Voltaire’s!).

There has been prior discussion about if the notable explorer John Charles Frémont was used by f in his TTOTC book as a hint with the story about John Charles whatever. Nothing new there yet. I might have even mentioned on this thread that I read the book about Frémont and one thing mentioned in the book immediately caught my eye. One day while he was mapping the great Salt Lake area from a small island in the Salt Lake he accidentally left the brass cap (if I remember correctly it was brass) to his spotting scope upon the big rock he was perched on. He realized that just after he and his crew shoved off of the island the next morning to continue their mission. He did not go back to the island to retrieve it.

It’s easy to find out what huge rock Frémont forgot the cap on. That’s because the rock is named after him and is pictured in the book. Also, there are only a couple of big rocks on top of the smallish island. This leads to one interesting question- Is the brass cap still there and findable? What a great piece of American history that would be to find nowadays if no one has ever scooped it up. Did it lay there for many decades and someone eventually came across it and snatched it up not knowing who left it? This is roughly the 1860’s so how many opportunities came across for someone to boat out to the small deserted island in the great Salt Lake and stumble across this cap resting on the rock?

Or did a storm or wind find a way to exert their control on the cap and send it to the lonely ground. If so, prbly didn’t take too long on this deserted island (at the time) to get debris deposited on top of it and a candidate for it to still be there awaiting someone’s attention to detail in recovering it.

If one analyses the situation well we’ve got something interesting going on here. The question is can you tell if John Charles Frémont was utilized as a hint? You can get pretty dang close to figuring that out if you do the following. Write f with a short explanation of the Frémont story I just told and ask his expert opinion on what he thinks the chances are that the cap is still present under the surface of the ground near the rock. Why would he not answer you with a reply? Nugget alert: It’s not because he actually (meaning explicitly) mentioned John Charles Frémont in his TTOTC book. So since he didn’t do that, why wouldn’t he, with his vast wealth of knowledge on finding precious artifacts, not help a searcher who is interested in attempting to find that piece of amazing American history? Possibly because Frémont was used as a hint? Hmmm...

This is the flaw in f’s method of hiding hints in the book, if it’s the method he used, that can be exploited. F might not have realized or figured out that someone would find out the nugget that is the brass cap and ask him about it. Hypothetically, if taken for granted that he did utilize the above mentioned method (not explicitly mentioning the specific subject of the hint), then there’s no reason to not answer anyone about Frémont since he isn’t mentioned in the book. Haha

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10-01-2019, 06:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-01-2019, 07:06 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Crysty came out with a theory for what wwwh is. It’s been said it’s clever and some like the simplicity of it. I think f has told us that an approach like her’s won’t work. Here’s a link to her theory...

https://youtu.be/h1N_G3942tk

Here’s the following f quote that I see as the theory’s downfall...

Dear Forrest,

You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:

a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and

b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”

Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? Steve

No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal? f
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That is what Crysty did. She actually only used wwwh in the beginning of her presentation before she came out with her conclusion of the Red C on the state flag of Colorado.

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10-01-2019, 09:15 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(10-01-2019, 06:57 PM)fundamental design Wrote: Crysty came out with a theory for what wwwh is. It’s been said it’s clever and some like the simplicity of it. I think f has told us that an approach like her’s won’t work. Here’s a link to her theory...

https://youtu.be/h1N_G3942tk

Here’s the following f quote that I see as the theory’s downfall...

Dear Forrest,

You tell us that we should find “where warm waters halt” before trying to solve any of the other clues. Imagining that we haven’t seen the rest of the poem, and all we have to go on is:

a. “begin it where warm waters halt” and

b. “somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”

Do you think that we can confidently determine the starting place for your treasure trail? Steve

No, if all you have to go on are those two clues you cannot proceed with confidence. Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal? f
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That is what Crysty did. She actually only used wwwh in the beginning of her presentation before she came out with her conclusion of the Red C on the state flag of Colorado.

She's a rising star. Possibly the best Fenn youtuber ever because she doesn't just stumble around wondering what the poem means, she doesn't seem to be promoting anything other than her interest in the Chase, and she shares brilliant ideas rather than tired old theories. I hope she doesn't change that.

But you are probably right. I don't know what Mr F means by the other ingredients, but her wwwh doesn't jive with that quote you posted.

To be honest, mine probably doesn't either. I used what I think are hints in the book to try to figure it out, but at this point I have doubts.

Before I saw her video I was starting to key in on an area in Colorado based on some of the more blatant hints in TTotC just in case I decide to abandon my main solve.
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10-02-2019, 08:42 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(10-01-2019, 09:15 PM)dude here Wrote: She's a rising star. Possibly the best Fenn youtuber ever because she doesn't just stumble around wondering what the poem means, she doesn't seem to be promoting anything other than her interest in the Chase, and she shares brilliant ideas rather than tired old theories. I hope she doesn't change that.

But you are probably right. I don't know what Mr F means by the other ingredients, but her wwwh doesn't jive with that quote you posted.

To be honest, mine probably doesn't either. I used what I think are hints in the book to try to figure it out, but at this point I have doubts.

Before I saw her video I was starting to key in on an area in Colorado based on some of the more blatant hints in TTotC just in case I decide to abandon my main solve.

Right on. I’d say keep Colorado in mind.

I just think she over simplified the first clue solve by just using the first clue to solve itself.

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10-02-2019, 10:25 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(10-01-2019, 06:57 PM)fundamental design Wrote: Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal? f
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Fenn's above statement is a hint to a hint. He says you can't leave out any of the ingredients of making something if you want to achieve your goal.

Several years ago he gave us the ingredients to making a grilled pimiento cheese sandwich.

He said, "Chill a large flaring bowl that has a pretty design around the edge, one that will complement yellow and red, but nothing gaudy, and certainly no composition that would detract from the overall look."

Now he has related ingredients to the first clue, WWWH. So, is he referring to his previous hint about ingredients?

It turns out that the grilled pimiento cheese sandwich ingredients has nothing to do with the sandwich itself but are just describing a large bowl. Why didn't anyone ever question that fact?

The sandwich ingredients (of the large bowl) do describe, perfectly, the location of WWWH.
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These are all just my ideas. I hope no one uses them.
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10-02-2019, 10:37 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Starting point is a bowl; ending point is a mirror meall or inverted bowl.
just saying ss
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10-02-2019, 12:11 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
eO, we think like you
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10-02-2019, 12:24 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(10-02-2019, 10:25 AM)trigace Wrote:
(10-01-2019, 06:57 PM)fundamental design Wrote: Look at it this way. If you were making a cake and you left out a few ingredients, would you achieve your goal? f
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Fenn's above statement is a hint to a hint. He says you can't leave out any of the ingredients of making something if you want to achieve your goal.

Several years ago he gave us the ingredients to making a grilled pimiento cheese sandwich.

He said, "Chill a large flaring bowl that has a pretty design around the edge, one that will complement yellow and red, but nothing gaudy, and certainly no composition that would detract from the overall look."

Now he has related ingredients to the first clue, WWWH. So, is he referring to his previous hint about ingredients?

It turns out that the grilled pimiento cheese sandwich ingredients has nothing to do with the sandwich itself but are just describing a large bowl. Why didn't anyone ever question that fact?

The sandwich ingredients (of the large bowl) do describe, perfectly, the location of WWWH.

Great point!

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