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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
11-03-2018, 09:12 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(11-03-2018, 08:11 AM)easternOHsteve Wrote: @fd I think you are totally correct in the observation that the poem has the correct KEY. When you discover it you will have another definite key confirmation from the poem. You will have only one location area to consider; IMO... The proper section must be determined and then you must disccover the power of the quarter. From that discovery you will use the war for me to be spot on more or less!!! IMO
One more trip in the snow if I must; it's 1500+ miles one way travel... That does not mean you cannot use hints outside information to discover the proper location IMO...

Good luck and stay safe out there!


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11-19-2018, 07:34 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
It’s interesting to see, on the one hand, searchers posting that as time goes on they are having a more difficult time posting about how to solve f’s poem.

On the other hand, how ChaseChat doesn’t provide any value with its current content. Ummm, look at the other hand above...that explains things.

You got others directing that they want others to talk about (Chase) content. Then, when they get their opportunity to talk about the content they promise it’s really just noise and non compelling. Like watching others speculate about if f took the tc first or loot first from vehicle during his two trip afternoon is worth wild to watch.

I think we need to better focus on what makes for good content going forward. The bar has been set for what makes good content. Many recognize that ChaseChat has been instrumental in helping set that bar.


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11-24-2018, 07:40 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
One note I took from the newly circulated audio clip of f talking with Douglas Preston- The hints in my book will help with the clues if you can correlate the two and mix them up into a catalyst that will give you this. Then you can find that treasure chest.


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01-01-2019, 08:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-01-2019, 08:51 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Let’s dissect this piece of work from Seannm. My comments about what we find will be in [ ]....

There are some who believe that the book is required or is vital to figuring out the poem and finding the treasure. And the biggest reason they believe this is because of the following Q & A with Forrest:

[We prbly know who Sean is talking about here. I don’t want to assume, but it’s prbly safe to say me cause he’s been misrepresenting what I’ve been saying on this thread for a long time now. Plus, his first sentence is about what this thread is about. It’s even got a keyword (vital) that’s the same. So with that in mind, I’ll continue as it’s me. Immediately Sean runs into a brick wall cause no, the biggest reason I (or we (as Sean likes to throw in Mindy)) believe that is not because of the following Q & A. Where do come up with this? I guess I can make stuff up too. Here goes, Sean believes that the book is vital to figuring out the poem and finding the treasure.]

Hello Forrest,

If in 500 years all a person has is the poem, and no back story: they don’t know “in the rocky mountains north of santa fe” or that there are 9 clues etc. Could a person reasonably just use the words in the poem and find your treasure chest?

Thank you ~Nope
Thank you Nope. Nope. f

Now that question may have been written by one whose preconceived belief is that the book is vital to unlocking the poem, because they are questioning if one could find it without the backstory, but they are missing a key ingredient that Forrest has alluded to.

[Again, Sean uses “may” to try to convince the rest that the nope, nope question was written by Mindy or I. It has already been posted on the blogs that someone else found where f had taken the comment of another searcher on MW and made the nope, nope question. I’ll try to find that info and post it if I do. So, the rest of that thought from Sean is more speculation that hinges on his wrong assumption of the first part. I mention often that speculation is non compelling in the sport of treasure hunting. Strike two, Sean.]

Now compare this Q & A:

Can hunters really get to the treasure location with just a good map, the poem, and a decent knowledge of words?

FF: I wrote the book for everyone who feels a sense of wanderlust. In your last question if you change the last word to geography, my answer would be yes.

So what is the difference? In the latter question the questioner asks if it can be found with just a good map, the poem and a decent knowledge of words to which Forrest responds yes, if you change that last word to geography.

Therefore it seems apparent that the backstory e.g. the book is not a requirement, but a good map, the poem and a decent knowledge of geography is.

[I think Sean tries too hard. The hints in the book (along with a hint in the poem) could provide the answer to the mystery of the correct *geographical* location for the beginning area. The hints, whether from the poem or book, would therefore still be involved in f’s answer under the geography portion.

Also, now I’m wondering about something with Sean’s assertion here. Since he is saying the book is not a requirement, then it sounds like Sean needs to finally dispose of his often repeated notion that the line (with the colon) written just before the poem in the book is a crucial building block of his solve. Sean has posted in great detail that he has derived the nine clues in the poem as the nine sentences because of what a colon signifies (that colon specifically). He points to that colon in the book as important in how he works out the poem...nine sentences equal nine clues. You can’t have it both ways. Strike three, yer out!]

Just something to discuss.


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01-03-2019, 10:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-03-2019, 10:33 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
This from Seannm-

seannm
1 day ago#15
Fundy,

Your wrong there brother, the line just prior to the poem is not crucial to my beliefs, it supports them. I came to the conclusion that grammar, word meanings and yes punctuation were important way prior to analyzing that line and realizing that it may be hinting to structure in the poem e.g. sentences possibly being the nine clues and thus grammar, word meanings and punctuation as being important keys to following the poem precisely. So it is backwards. And is it possible that that is how the subtle clues work? I don't know because I don't put that much weight in them, because they are subject to ones confirmation bias. So again that line is not crucial it supports, thus helpful.

And yes it is true, I do not believe that the book, outside of the poem, is required in solving the poem and finding the treasure, I have been very vocal about that, could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.

ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Happy New year to you both, and may it be a peaceful one.

Seannm

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It doesn’t matter if it’s backwards and I never said that part of your thinking came first. It doesn’t have to come first to be crucial or important to your chain of reasoning. Just that it’s what you’ve said and continue to say here. Like I said, you have specifically pointed to that colon in the book and hence, that line, to help articulate your reasoning for thinking the nine clues are the nine sentences. So, I’m not wrong. By the way, when I say vital I also mean important. Important just doesn’t have the sizzle as the word vital does in a title and I can’t put both in the title. Not trying that hard, I’m using creativity in my titles.

But, sure I think it will be vital to figure out the hints before anyone knows with “certainty” that they have any of the clues correct...especially the first clue. Don’t think it’s gonna happen any other way from what f has alluded to. If it’s vital to have certainty beforehand (paraphrased) before finding the tc, then everything in that chain of events needs to be correct and therefore vital for success. Just basic reasoning but vital to realize it, imo.

The most important thing I utilize in my theory isn’t the nope, nope question, like you misrepresent, but f telling us what his best advice is for a serious searcher. You should know that, we’ve gone over that and you blew a gasket.

Then you say- could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.


You’re joking? I wrote my post in response to your post which did the same thing mine did. Nice try, doesn’t work. Or, you think it works for you but no one else? I don’t get it. Also, I think I have already proven all aspects of my case about backstory since the nope, nope case has come out. That includes proof that I or Mindy didn’t come up with it. I haven’t seen anyone poke a hole in the theory yet.

You said- ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Like I said l, you are either trying too hard or just don’t see the obvious which is right in front of you. The Q & A response that you are relying on is different than the nope, nope one...correct? And what is one of the differences between the two? In your Q & A, we get to use the whole poem. But with the “hypothetical” nope, nope question, it doesn’t allow the “whole” use of the poem if there is in fact “backstory” (or in other words, an introduction) in the poem. That’s the difference which makes it a bad example of how to reach to your conclusion by correlating the two. Try something else to discredit my ideas about the nope, nope question cause so far you haven’t found anything, imo. I think you will find out you need to reconsider your position about many of your beliefs. Maybe this is the year. It’s off to a great start.

Happy New Year to you.


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01-03-2019, 10:48 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(01-03-2019, 10:00 AM)fundamental design Wrote: This from Seannm-

seannm
1 day ago#15
Fundy,

Your wrong there brother, the line just prior to the poem is not crucial to my beliefs, it supports them. I came to the conclusion that grammar, word meanings and yes punctuation were important way prior to analyzing that line and realizing that it may be hinting to structure in the poem e.g. sentences possibly being the nine clues and thus grammar, word meanings and punctuation as being important keys to following the poem precisely. So it is backwards. And is it possible that that is how the subtle clues work? I don't know because I don't put that much weight in them, because they are subject to ones confirmation bias. So again that line is not crucial it supports, thus helpful.

And yes it is true, I do not believe that the book, outside of the poem, is required in solving the poem and finding the treasure, I have been very vocal about that, could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.

ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Happy New year to you both, and may it be a peaceful one.

Seannm

———————————
It doesn’t matter if it’s backwards and I never said that part of your thinking came first. It doesn’t have to come first to be crucial or important to your chain of reasoning. Just that it’s what you’ve said and continue to say here. Like I said, you have specifically pointed to that colon in the book and hence, that line, to help articulate your reasoning for thinking the nine clues are the nine sentences. So, I’m not wrong. By the way, when I say vital I also mean important. Important just doesn’t have the sizzle as the word vital does in a title and I can’t put both in the title. Not trying that hard, I’m using creativity in my titles.

But, sure I think it will be vital to figure out the hints before anyone knows with “certainty” that they have any of the clues correct...especially the first clue. Don’t think it’s gonna happen any other way from what f has alluded to. If it’s vital to have certainty beforehand (paraphrased) before finding the tc, then everything in that chain of events needs to be correct and therefore vital for success. Just basic reasoning but vital to realize it, imo.

The most important thing I utilize in my theory isn’t the nope, nope question, like you misrepresent, but f telling us what his best advice is for a serious searcher. You should know that, we’ve gone over that and you blew a gasket.

Then you say- could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.


You’re joking? I wrote my post in response to your post which did the same thing mine did. Nice try, doesn’t work. Or, you think it works for you but no one else? I don’t get it. Also, I think I have already proven all aspects of my case about backstory since the nope, nope case has come out. That includes proof that I or Mindy didn’t come up with it. I haven’t seen anyone poke a hole in the theory yet.

You said- ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Like I said l, you are either trying too hard or just don’t see the obvious which is right in front of you. The Q & A response that you are relying on is different than the nope, nope one...correct? And what is one of the differences between the two? In your Q & A, we get to use the whole poem. But with the “hypothetical” nope, nope question, it doesn’t allow the “whole” use of the poem if there is in fact “backstory” (or in other words, an introduction) in the poem. That’s the difference which makes it a bad example of how to reach to your conclusion by correlating the two. Try something else to discredit my ideas about the nope, nope question cause so far you haven’t found anything, imo. I think you will find out you need to reconsider your position about many of your beliefs. Maybe this is the year. It’s off to a great start.

Happy New Year to you.

My $.02.

First, I'll say I like Sean's shows and I watch almost all and have no issue with him. However, I have always found the 9 clues 9 sentences idea to be not merely an opinion I disagree with, but false based on F's statements. Forrest said Begin it WWWH is the first clue. He didn't say it is part of the first clue. IT IS the first clue. The statement "it is" is all inclusive in this context and leaves no wiggle room. I don't see a way to reconcile his belief with Fenn's statement.

With regard to the book, I agree that it is not necessary to find the chest. However, I believe it sure helps. I could walk 20 miles, but a car sure would help. Forrest said to use the book, so I use the book.
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01-03-2019, 01:12 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(01-03-2019, 10:48 AM)Anon Anon Wrote:
(01-03-2019, 10:00 AM)fundamental design Wrote: This from Seannm-

seannm
1 day ago#15
Fundy,

Your wrong there brother, the line just prior to the poem is not crucial to my beliefs, it supports them. I came to the conclusion that grammar, word meanings and yes punctuation were important way prior to analyzing that line and realizing that it may be hinting to structure in the poem e.g. sentences possibly being the nine clues and thus grammar, word meanings and punctuation as being important keys to following the poem precisely. So it is backwards. And is it possible that that is how the subtle clues work? I don't know because I don't put that much weight in them, because they are subject to ones confirmation bias. So again that line is not crucial it supports, thus helpful.

And yes it is true, I do not believe that the book, outside of the poem, is required in solving the poem and finding the treasure, I have been very vocal about that, could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.

ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Happy New year to you both, and may it be a peaceful one.

Seannm

———————————
It doesn’t matter if it’s backwards and I never said that part of your thinking came first. It doesn’t have to come first to be crucial or important to your chain of reasoning. Just that it’s what you’ve said and continue to say here. Like I said, you have specifically pointed to that colon in the book and hence, that line, to help articulate your reasoning for thinking the nine clues are the nine sentences. So, I’m not wrong. By the way, when I say vital I also mean important. Important just doesn’t have the sizzle as the word vital does in a title and I can’t put both in the title. Not trying that hard, I’m using creativity in my titles.

But, sure I think it will be vital to figure out the hints before anyone knows with “certainty” that they have any of the clues correct...especially the first clue. Don’t think it’s gonna happen any other way from what f has alluded to. If it’s vital to have certainty beforehand (paraphrased) before finding the tc, then everything in that chain of events needs to be correct and therefore vital for success. Just basic reasoning but vital to realize it, imo.

The most important thing I utilize in my theory isn’t the nope, nope question, like you misrepresent, but f telling us what his best advice is for a serious searcher. You should know that, we’ve gone over that and you blew a gasket.

Then you say- could it be helpful, sure, but definitely not required in my opinion. And if you believe I am wrong and that the backstory is in fact required to solve this, then the burden of proof lies with you to prove your case, not me. So maybe focus on proving your case instead of trying to prove me wrong.


You’re joking? I wrote my post in response to your post which did the same thing mine did. Nice try, doesn’t work. Or, you think it works for you but no one else? I don’t get it. Also, I think I have already proven all aspects of my case about backstory since the nope, nope case has come out. That includes proof that I or Mindy didn’t come up with it. I haven’t seen anyone poke a hole in the theory yet.

You said- ETA: And the Q & A response, that I posted above, does seem to clearly imply that one could figure this thing out with just the poem, a good map, and a decent knowledge of geography, does it not? So then it is possible that the backstory, while potentially helpful, is not in fact required? Again this statement from Forrest is not crucial to my solve or theories, it only supports them.

Like I said l, you are either trying too hard or just don’t see the obvious which is right in front of you. The Q & A response that you are relying on is different than the nope, nope one...correct? And what is one of the differences between the two? In your Q & A, we get to use the whole poem. But with the “hypothetical” nope, nope question, it doesn’t allow the “whole” use of the poem if there is in fact “backstory” (or in other words, an introduction) in the poem. That’s the difference which makes it a bad example of how to reach to your conclusion by correlating the two. Try something else to discredit my ideas about the nope, nope question cause so far you haven’t found anything, imo. I think you will find out you need to reconsider your position about many of your beliefs. Maybe this is the year. It’s off to a great start.

Happy New Year to you.

My $.02.

First, I'll say I like Sean's shows and I watch almost all and have no issue with him. However, I have always found the 9 clues 9 sentences idea to be not merely an opinion I disagree with, but false based on F's statements. Forrest said Begin it WWWH is the first clue. He didn't say it is part of the first clue. IT IS the first clue. The statement "it is" is all inclusive in this context and leaves no wiggle room. I don't see a way to reconcile his belief with Fenn's statement.

With regard to the book, I agree that it is not necessary to find the chest. However, I believe it sure helps. I could walk 20 miles, but a car sure would help. Forrest said to use the book, so I use the book.

Very good reasoning, I agree.


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Today, 07:27 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
The following was posted by the fakechrisyates and my response is below-

in my opinion, when f first said that he was surprised that nobody to his uncertain knowledge was considering a certain winning possibility

the little factoid he was letting slip out there, by using basically 2 negatives (nobody and uncertain), was that somebody (1 person) to his certain knowledge had found (analyzed) a particular key clue, and that it was possible for them to continue this angle onto a winning solution.

though that somebody was still a ways from finishing the solve at that time, there was now someone where it was possible they could solve it

this was Feb 2015 and progress has been made since then
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Thank you for pointing out my pioneeringness.


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