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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
04-09-2019, 07:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-09-2019, 08:02 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-08-2019, 07:22 AM)dude here Wrote:
(04-07-2019, 03:05 PM)fundamental design Wrote: I gotta believe there is a hint to the blaze in the poem. Partly why is because of how f presented the blaze clue line and it’s tense...If you’ve been wise and found the blaze.

It hasn’t made sense to me that one would not be able to predetermine the blaze before botg. I never thought it to be compelling when any searcher shows us they go out there and start to try to figure out the blaze.

It goes back to the simple mechanisms that f used to hide the treasure path...clues and hints. F didn’t really hide where the clue path begins in the poem. It clearly states “begin” it where. Anything that comes before that line and helps solve clue 1 has to be a hint and the first stanza has the word “hint” in it.

How does that help tell us there probably is a hint in the poem to directly gives us the blaze? Because if we are to predetermine the blaze with the poem then it can’t be done by using one of the other clues (clue lines). That would involve clues jumping other clues and get one closer to the treasure which f has made clear isn’t allowed. Only a hint can help us by jumping clues, if need be. I think a powerful hint is in the first stanza that tells us both the correct starting area and the blaze. The same answer to the hint tells us both. That would be a clever way to do it. T.S. Elliot like.

What is so special about the blaze that he has to hint about it beforehand, but he doesn't have to hint about the other clues? I mean, the blaze is just another clue, one of nine. It's interesting how people's eyes are drawn to the blaze in the poem. It's probably the most discussed clue along with WWWH. But the other clues, which are probably just as important, get much less press.
I know I’ve mentioned for a few years on this thread that a hint in the first stanza probably steers ya to the correct wwwh. Others can have their own opinion.

(04-08-2019, 10:14 AM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I need to proof read, a cant was supposed to be in there!

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You definitely have to start at the beginning, you cant just look for the blaze

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Yes, I was looking in the beginning when I came up with this theory. I wasn’t looking for the blaze. That doesn’t mean later on I don’t remember what I did first and got wise...the blaze was there in the beginning all along.

The alternative that some are offering is that they firmly believe it’s all one big guessing game. Don’t know why you’d stay in the Chase if that’s the case. Smh

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04-10-2019, 05:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-10-2019, 05:11 PM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Can’t believe the lengths some of the poem purists go to deflect fair points brought up about their position.
Sean hasn’t as of yet actually tackled the reasoning that Chris Yates put forth. Instead he asks silly questions back that have no value with the subject at hand. Like f hasn’t confirmed what Chris laid out.

Same with Mdavis’ view that since the poem is being concentrated on its got to be better than anyone looking for hints. Really? So, searchers that follows f’s best advice for serious searchers are dumb. Hilarious, that’s not a compelling reason for how one gets a leg up in the Chase.

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mdavis19
7:58 AM - Today #4

fakechrisyates wrote:
saying 9 sentences are the 9 clues is a conclusion that requires very little thought and makes no sense

very little thought because someone basically said to themselves ...

"hey, f said there are 9 clues and the poem has 9 sentences. those are the same numbers! golly gee whillikers!"

and makes no sense because we know that the the first clue is in the 2nd sentence. and it is only one line of that sentence which has 4 lines total

so how does it make any sense that every sentence is one clue?

conclusion: this is obviously wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself if this theory/belief has ever been uttered from your lips.

Mdavis reply...
While I personally don't subscribe to the nine sentences nine clues theory, I try not to find fault with it. Those who do subscribe to it are at least concentrating on the poem. So they likely have a leg up on many in the the chase who are bogged down trying to find hints and confirmations in the books.

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04-11-2019, 05:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2019, 08:14 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-10-2019, 06:00 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Yeah, that’s some funny stuff. Davis always has to add if I can’t find it, no one can to his comments. It’s okay, mike, we know you can’t find it.


razyfamily

Exactly. Since I (Mdavis and Seannm) can’t find confirmation in the poem then f is a horrible puzzle maker. They have backed themselves into a corner and don’t even realize it cause I bet they won’t ever change their stance before the tc is found, if that ever happens. One can’t even breach the topic with them cause they just start attacking and bringing up other nonsense. Fun.

Can’t believe they are portraying f as a two bit puzzle maker who couldn’t figure out a way to provide confirmation at all in his Chase. I believe f has the ingenuity to find a clever way to provide some confirmation, over and above other hunt setters that have had a successful conclusion to their hunts.

Hey guys, why don’t you try what some of us have been trying to tell you since you’ll forever be stuck? The confirmation comes from the hints. I don’t need confirmation of any of the clues if I have confirmation of the step before the clues start. That’s the all important first step that it all hinges on, imo.

“Hinges” is the paramount mechanism.

Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges.

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04-11-2019, 08:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2019, 08:38 AM by mikemarcum03.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-11-2019, 05:51 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(04-10-2019, 06:00 PM)crazyfamily Wrote: Yeah, that’s some funny stuff. Davis always has to add if I can’t find it, no one can to his comments. It’s okay, mike, we know you can’t find it.


razyfamily

Exactly. Since I (Mdavis and Seannm) can’t find confirmation in the poem then f is a horrible puzzle maker. They have backed themselves into a corner and don’t even realize it cause I bet they won’t ever change their stance before the tc is found, if that ever happens. One can’t even breach the topic with them cause they just start attacking and bringing up other nonsense. Fun.

Can’t believe they are portraying f as a two bit puzzle maker who couldn’t figure out a way to provide confirmation at all in his Chase. I believe f has the ingenuity to find a clever way to provide some confirmation, over and above other hunt setters that have had a successful conclusion to their hunts.

Hey guys, why don’t you try what some of us have been trying to tell you since you’ll forever be stuck? The confirmation comes from the hints. I don’t need confirmation of any of the clues if I have confirmation of the step before the clues start. That’s the all important first step that it all hinges on, imo.

“Hinges” is the paramount mechanism.

Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges. Hinges.
The confirmation is in the quotes and the random words.

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04-11-2019, 09:19 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-11-2019, 08:41 PM)Andrew Jef Wrote: Hinges are associated with doors/gates, lids, shutters, and other foldable things like eyeglasses. Maybe we should run with this line of thinking for a wile.

so perhaps a correct solve hinges on one, or a couple, ideas that are not part of the 9 clues
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04-11-2019, 10:06 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-11-2019, 09:19 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(04-11-2019, 08:41 PM)Andrew Jef Wrote: Hinges are associated with doors/gates, lids, shutters, and other foldable things like eyeglasses. Maybe we should run with this line of thinking for a wile.

so perhaps a correct solve hinges on one, or a couple, ideas that are not part of the 9 clues

Ok, maybe pins then, that’s what makes them function. Any interest in pins.
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04-12-2019, 07:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2019, 07:37 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-11-2019, 08:32 PM)legacyhelper Wrote:
(04-09-2019, 07:18 AM)fundamental design Wrote: I know I’ve mentioned for a few years on this thread that a hint in the first stanza probably steers ya to the correct wwwh.

This thread is less than a few years old.

Good catch. I added some time from all the gruff one gets from the poem purists. It’s like taking into account “dog years”.

(04-11-2019, 10:06 PM)Riddlemethat Wrote:
(04-11-2019, 09:19 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(04-11-2019, 08:41 PM)Andrew Jef Wrote: Hinges are associated with doors/gates, lids, shutters, and other foldable things like eyeglasses. Maybe we should run with this line of thinking for a wile.

so perhaps a correct solve hinges on one, or a couple, ideas that are not part of the 9 clues

Ok, maybe pins then, that’s what makes them function. Any interest in pins.

Good thinking by all.

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04-12-2019, 09:13 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Yup, a hinge. It's HOW he went alone in there, in the first stanza. On a sort of a hinge.
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04-12-2019, 09:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2019, 11:23 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
mdavis19
1 day ago #234

There is this certain idiot on another forum who is claiming I think Fenn is a bad puzzle maker and was too stupid to figure out how to include confirmations along the way to the solution. No, that is not a correct characterization of what I think. Not surprising really, since I have never known Fundy to be correct about anything. The fact that Fenn's treasure remains undiscovered after all this time AND people are still actively looking for it proves that he is a very good puzzle maker. As for the all too obvious lack of confirmations, I'm sure that was entirely by design to enhance the difficulty of the puzzle, and not due to any lack of intelligence on Fenn's part. And I for one have no problem with that concept. Bravo Fenn, for making a truly difficult and challenging puzzle. Poor Fundy just refuses to grasp the true difficulty of the challenge he finds himself immersed in. He has to hunt for supposed hints as crutches, and mire himself in truckloads of confirmation bias to make himself feel like he is a real contender in the chase. Myself, I have no problem staring into a hintless, confirmationless, crutchless, abyss of the chase and saying "Challenge accepted," to Fenn.
mdavis19

Hey, I’ve never waivered from this being a very difficult hunt to solve. Whatever gives you the thought that I’ve ever thought otherwise? Didn’t I just say in my post, that you replied to, this: “they (Mdavis and seannm) won’t ever change their stance before the tc is found, if that ever happens.”
Sounds to me like I understand that f created a most difficult hunt...nice try. Guess I am correct about some stuff and I got proof I’m correct. Challenged accepted.

So you believe a lack of confirmation in this hunt means absolutely no confirmation. I feel that the hints will provide some confirmation somehow and the clues don’t. Both theories rest on that being a difficult challenge so spare us the inaccurate flare you try to spin my theory with.

What you always don’t mention about your theory is that you have like 100 times the amount of rabbit holes and confirmation bias to weed through with your approach. You’ve never figured that out but it’s true. Just because my approach involves 20,000, or so, more words that doesn’t mean it involves more rabbit holes and confirmation bias than your approach. That’s because you have absolutely no confirmation to go on with just the clues. So every thought and every lead is a rabbit hole. Everyplace is a rabbit hole. Since f points to his book hints being the mechanism that can help the clues I wouldn’t call the hints crutches like there’s some negative connotation to them (negative spin...cue Dal on video, lol). Especially since the clues don’t provide confirmation. Therefore, relying on the non conformational clues can also be considered a crutch but I think that’s just a dumb word to use cause that’s how you unsuccessfully try to spin things all the time to your own detriment.

Show us one major hunt that reached a successful find (no foul play or inside information) that solely used confirmation bias in it to point the finder to the find. That’s not how proper puzzles are made. I can than show you all of the other successful hunts that properly use some form of confirmation that not many pick up on quick enough.

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04-12-2019, 01:33 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
A word that is key will provide absolute confirmation.
That word is in the poem.
That word is not a clue, in that clues are points that provide directional changes, but a clear hint.
So I think you are both sorta correct.
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