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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
04-14-2019, 08:07 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
Well, Yates made a later comment that focused on the point that I have a different view about, so might as well dig into it....

fakechrisyates
1 day ago #274

Leon Kowalski wrote:
It is difficult for me to believe that a person will be certain they have the blaze correct but can't be sure if they have WWWH correct.

Chris Yates wrote:
yes i agree, it is difficult to believe

it is difficult to believe because if the poem is solvable then it can't possibly be true

which it makes it easy to come up with the correct interpretation of f's answer you provided the link to


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I just think that Yates’ statement of “it is difficult to believe because if the poem is solvable then it can't possibly be true” is not true.

I’m not sure which part of Leon’s statement Yates thinks is not true. Is it the part about the finder being certain they have the blaze correct before finding the tc or the part about they can’t be sure they have wwwh correct? Or both?

I think the finder will be certain they have the blaze correct before finding the tc. That’s my main point. I think how the mechanisms of the Chase and poem were architected allow for that.


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04-14-2019, 10:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2019, 10:57 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
seannm
28 min. ago #285

All,

I have discussed this before and it may be a good time to rehash it once again.

Recall Forrest had said, and I paraphrase from memory: “if a searcher was to read the poem over and over and was able to decipher the first few clues, they could find the treasure. I may not be easy but it certainly isn’t impossible. I could walk right straight to it”

So whether you believe, as I do , that the nine clues are the the nine sentences or they are just singular lines in the poem, the blaze may not be included in those first few clues. So finding the blaze may not be as crucial to finding the treasure as we all think, but if you don’t know WHERE the blaze is it really doesn’t matter.
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Yes, the blaze may not be included in those first few clues.

To me, that doesn’t mean finding the blaze is not crucial to finding the tc. Just tells me that something is prbly wrong with the structure of the poem/Chase in one’s mind.


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04-14-2019, 02:08 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I don't think he said "I could walk right straight to it." but "I could go right straight to it." Not much point except I am a stickler for accuracy, and of course you qualified the quote by saying you were paraphrasing. There may be a "I could walk right" quote but I don't recall it. My real point here is that he says goes right not left to get to the chest. Presumably it is right in the middle. All the people went "right past" it and not left past it, but they passed it one way or the other. I'm not clear as to whether the chest was on their left or right when they passed it.

Another belief of mine is that there are switch backs involved. I'm not clear as to whether he is saying don't take them or not. I know what he said at Moby Dickens but that was a bizarrely phrased question. The lady said something like: "will you find yourself switching back on yourself." That is paraphrased from memory and might be off a bit but it was phrased so poorly that it was meaningless. What does it even mean to "find yourself switching back." Like if you're walking along the trail will you find another copy of yourself "switching back"? Or will you somehow "find yourself" as in "discovering your true nature" or whatever it is that people mean when they talk about "finding" themselves. Forrest answered negatively but the question was phrased so poorly that he could answer any way he liked. When I thumb through TFTW I see only a few things that stand out, one of which is the "international not sign" through the small switch. I think at the very least that means don't take the smaller switchback. It might mean the bigger switchback is OK to take or maybe it means don't take any switchback. Another thing in TFTW that sticks out to me is the Underwood typewriter. There are a few more things in there that I think don't need mentioning.
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04-14-2019, 06:52 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 02:08 PM)John Brown Wrote: I don't think he said "I could walk right straight to it." but "I could go right straight to it." Not much point except I am a stickler for accuracy, and of course you qualified the quote by saying you were paraphrasing. There may be a "I could walk right" quote but I don't recall it. My real point here is that he says goes right not left to get to the chest. Presumably it is right in the middle. All the people went "right past" it and not left past it, but they passed it one way or the other. I'm not clear as to whether the chest was on their left or right when they passed it.

Another belief of mine is that there are switch backs involved. I'm not clear as to whether he is saying don't take them or not. I know what he said at Moby Dickens but that was a bizarrely phrased question. The lady said something like: "will you find yourself switching back on yourself." That is paraphrased from memory and might be off a bit but it was phrased so poorly that it was meaningless. What does it even mean to "find yourself switching back." Like if you're walking along the trail will you find another copy of yourself "switching back"? Or will you somehow "find yourself" as in "discovering your true nature" or whatever it is that people mean when they talk about "finding" themselves. Forrest answered negatively but the question was phrased so poorly that he could answer any way he liked. When I thumb through TFTW I see only a few things that stand out, one of which is the "international not sign" through the small switch. I think at the very least that means don't take the smaller switchback. It might mean the bigger switchback is OK to take or maybe it means don't take any switchback. Another thing in TFTW that sticks out to me is the Underwood typewriter. There are a few more things in there that I think don't need mentioning.

The first part of your reply is in response to what Seannm laid out in a post he wrote...just to be clear.

It is interesting to read your thoughts in your second paragraph. Good stuff.


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04-14-2019, 07:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2019, 07:13 PM by jeanniewalls.)
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

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04-14-2019, 08:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-14-2019, 08:08 PM by Chris Yates.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 07:05 PM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

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To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

this might be true, but it isn't helpful imo. in other words, it isn't an effective idea/approach that could be used to find a successful solve imo

people are finding a starting point and spending years of their life trying to construct the clues to the end.

after failing to do so, if this is their indication that the starting point was wrong and they can finally accept that then ...

the next step is to choose another starting point and hope this time they can construct a clue path?

no, this is a recipe for repeated failure. you have to know you have the first clue correct to have a chance. and logically it would follow each clue thereafter has confirmation

f has stated repeatedly how important it is, the first clue. and we have to have it "nailed down"

where in the phrase "nailed down" is somebody out there getting the impression it means, "hey, i think this might be the first clue, but i'm not really sure. shucks, i think i'll just try to figure it out from here anyway!"
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04-14-2019, 08:20 PM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I agree to a point, but when my first solve didnt pan out I went to the next wwh it can work for some

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04-14-2019, 08:59 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 08:06 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(04-14-2019, 07:05 PM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

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To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

this might be true, but it isn't helpful imo. in other words, it isn't an effective idea/approach that could be used to find a successful solve imo

people are finding a starting point and spending years of their life trying to construct the clues to the end.

after failing to do so, if this is their indication that the starting point was wrong and they can finally accept that then ...

the next step is to choose another starting point and hope this time they can construct a clue path?

no, this is a recipe for repeated failure. you have to know you have the first clue correct to have a chance. and logically it would follow each clue thereafter has confirmation

f has stated repeatedly how important it is, the first clue. and we have to have it "nailed down"

where in the phrase "nailed down" is somebody out there getting the impression it means, "hey, i think this might be the first clue, but i'm not really sure. shucks, i think i'll just try to figure it out from here anyway!"

Fuzzy logic helped me with the first clue.
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04-14-2019, 09:57 PM,
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(04-14-2019, 08:06 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(04-14-2019, 07:05 PM)jeanniewalls Wrote: I believe it is because once you find the treasure (at least a narrowed down space) on the map, you then know you were right starting at wwh. To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

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He has said there are plenty of wwh north of Santa fe

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

To me what he is saying is if the rest of the clues dont line up all the way to the end, you probably have the wrong wwh.

this might be true, but it isn't helpful imo. in other words, it isn't an effective idea/approach that could be used to find a successful solve imo

people are finding a starting point and spending years of their life trying to construct the clues to the end.

after failing to do so, if this is their indication that the starting point was wrong and they can finally accept that then ...

the next step is to choose another starting point and hope this time they can construct a clue path?

no, this is a recipe for repeated failure. you have to know you have the first clue correct to have a chance. and logically it would follow each clue thereafter has confirmation

f has stated repeatedly how important it is, the first clue. and we have to have it "nailed down"

where in the phrase "nailed down" is somebody out there getting the impression it means, "hey, i think this might be the first clue, but i'm not really sure. shucks, i think i'll just try to figure it out from here anyway!"

I feel the clues have confirmation in them as well. The trouble with it, I think, is that we have no way of knowing how difficult difficult-but-not-impossible actually is. I think I have some solutions to rival anyone’s, but I can say with certainty that I’m no Forrest Fenn. It has taken about everything I’ve got to get to this point. Even if I’m right about what I’ve got, I may not be smart enough to finish it.


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