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THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
08-05-2019, 08:09 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
@John Brown...Do you think the poem identifies the blaze for us somehow?


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08-05-2019, 09:37 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-05-2019, 08:09 AM)fundamental design Wrote: @John Brown...Do you think the poem identifies the blaze for us somehow?

I do.
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08-05-2019, 10:35 AM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-05-2019, 08:09 AM)fundamental design Wrote: @John Brown...Do you think the poem identifies the blaze for us somehow?

My understanding is that it kind of does. But having "If you've been wise and found the blaze" is not solving the poem. "wise" is only the 83rd word of the 166 word poem; there're still 83 more words to go. So even if you have that right, you've still got a lot of work remaining. That's what I think anyway.
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08-10-2019, 10:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2019, 10:57 AM by fundamental design.)
THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
I had a conversation with Seannm on Dal’s yesterday (Odds and Ends). It was a pretty long convo, sorry I couldn’t figure out how to share a link to it on my phone.

But, it was interesting to see how unaware Sean is about how what he projects about the Chase is viewed by others. I’ll share a response by someone that also doesn’t understand one of the contradictions in one of the points Sean was trying to make.

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I knew this would happen. Whenever I get a chance to get into a deep convo with Sean, his views on the Chase get exposed, at least the ones that he speaks about. The other weird thing I got from him is that at one point he was making a point about the poem and maps which are the only things that are needed in the Chase and that f has had to adjust recently to giving advice to new searchers this: I would advise new searchers to look for the clues in my poem and try to marry them to a place on a map.” (paraphrased)

Then, Sean wraps up the same post in these terms: So the basic required items, in my opinion, are the poem and a map. Everything else can only be helpful, but are not required.

When I called out Sean that maps have been in play by f since at least 2015 so there hasn’t been a recent adjustment by f with his advice, Sean acted like his point wasn’t about maps. It was that f didn’t mention ttotc book in that advice. I was like, whattt? That’s not what you said or focused on in your post. It was all about maps. If you think you can be slick by having your point of a post be something that you don’t even mention, then don’t you think a major part of f’s puzzle can follow that same design structure? A design structure that you flatly rile against?

I also mentioned my opinion that is just f highlighting one aspect of the Chase at that particular moment. You can’t expect f to cram in every bit of helpful info into a one sentence advisory note. I think Sean’s confirmation bias about poem purity is clouding his judgment and making him to say things like f has had to “adjust” his advice about no longer including ttotc as part of the puzzle. Like f wouldn’t still agree that his best advice for serious searchers is the usual response he has giving many times...read the book, read the poem 9-10 times, slowly read the book again looking for anything that trips up in your mind or that is an aberration.

Sean talked about his usual stance that the only objective thing in the Chase are the clues. He said it is the realization, based upon experience, that one cannot objectively identify what those subtle clues are in the book and then know how they are supposed to help us with the clues. Therefore, I (Sean) tend to just stick with the evidence Forrest has given us, the poem and its nine clues. Everything else, in my opinion, is just noise and may just lead you down a myriad of rabbit holes.

Sean’s ideas of what constitutes that evidence is woefully short sighted and inflexible, imo. Of course the hints are a major player in the whole body of work f has presented and challenged us with in the Chase and are therefore part of the ‘evidence’. I said what I’ve said before, I think it’s the hints that are the only objective part of the correct solve. Is anyone saying that’s not possible or reasonable? It’s like Sean has never considered that or flatly won’t try to argue against that possibility.

The major impediment to Sean’s poem purist viewpoint can be summarized up in this that he wrote...”Then your answer to my question: can one find the treasure with just the poem and a map, is yes. And it matters not the difficulty, only that it is possible.”

I replied that it does matter about the difficulty. That’s the whole point I started making yesterday. If the hints help with the clues then that obviously means if one is having difficulty with the clues then your next step is to try to figure out the easier hints. Sean couldn’t figure out the solution to that problem I was describing. F’s best advice for solving the problem of the clues being difficult to solve are the hints in ttotc. This comes from f’s simple statement...the hints help with the clues.

Imo, searchers aren’t accurately gauging how difficult the poem is for them. I repeated ystdy what I’ve said here before. How much more time are you gonna kid yourself that you don’t need help with the poem clues? A year, 3 years, 5, 10 or 20 or more? Many searchers are in denial of how astronomical the odds are of solving the poem by itself. I think Sean is so deep in his confirmation bias about poem purity that he is trying to convince himself and others that f has had to “adjust” his advice recently. Like f wouldn’t agree anymore that his best advice for serious searchers is to try to fundamental find and figure out the hints in TTOTC.


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08-10-2019, 07:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-10-2019, 07:39 PM by Milan.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
"Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f"

It does NOT say:

"Excellent research materials are the poem in TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map.f"

Therefore, use the entire book for guidance. While you're at it, use everything else you can learn about Fenn as well.

Limiting yourself to just the poem is a very poor way to filter out the irrelevant materials you may encounter along the way, imo.
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08-10-2019, 08:46 PM,
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
remember when f said the hints won't help you much?

there were some people quite invested in the idea that they do, and got really upset about it

Goofy just about went on a crusade

f seemed to back off, but it was obvious imo he did so just to calm people down

it wasn't because he didn't speak the truth
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08-11-2019, 08:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-11-2019, 08:15 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-10-2019, 08:46 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: remember when f said the hints won't help you much?

there were some people quite invested in the idea that they do, and got really upset about it

Goofy just about went on a crusade

f seemed to back off, but it was obvious imo he did so just to calm people down

it wasn't because he didn't speak the truth

Have the clues helped anyone much?

Best advice is best advice. It hasn’t changed.


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08-11-2019, 02:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-11-2019, 02:34 PM by Chris Yates.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-11-2019, 08:12 AM)fundamental design Wrote: Have the clues helped anyone much?

just my opinion but you are consistent at posting things in which your point is entirely unclear or you seem to be making no point at all

all you're saying here is the treasure hasn't been found yet

unless your rhetorical question was meant to say the clues won't lead us to the treasure?

is that what you meant?

i think a reasonable person and serious treasure hunter would accept f's word on this one that the clues will lead us there but just the book without the poem won't

i understand you have been making an argument that the hints are helpful and thats fine. people are going to disagree on what "helpful" means exactly and how "helpful" they would be

but your post is a strange thing to say. what could possibly be your point in asking such a rhetorical question?
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08-12-2019, 08:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-12-2019, 08:44 AM by fundamental design.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
(08-11-2019, 02:33 PM)Chris Yates Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 08:12 AM)fundamental design Wrote: Have the clues helped anyone much?

just my opinion but you are consistent at posting things in which your point is entirely unclear or you seem to be making no point at all

all you're saying here is the treasure hasn't been found yet

unless your rhetorical question was meant to say the clues won't lead us to the treasure?

is that what you meant?

i think a reasonable person and serious treasure hunter would accept f's word on this one that the clues will lead us there but just the book without the poem won't

i understand you have been making an argument that the hints are helpful and thats fine. people are going to disagree on what "helpful" means exactly and how "helpful" they would be

but your post is a strange thing to say. what could possibly be your point in asking such a rhetorical question?

It wasn’t a rhetorical question so don’t frame it as such. And that’s not the only thing I was saying. It is a serious question. It comes from this simple statement by f: the hints help with the clues. Naturally, a searcher would look to find and figure out the hints if “they need help with the clues”. Since that (looking for hints in ttotc) has been done prbly hundreds of thousands of times and will continue to go on the the future I’m on solid ground the clues haven’t helped a vast percentage of the searchers or haven’t been enough help. Otherwise, I can’t point to the obvious evidence that searchers have looked for the hints in the book a boatload of times. Go take my poll and answer honestly.

So, it gets a little tiring to hear you keep saying some of my simple statements aren’t making a point because you can’t fathom my point.

I can throw in a statement by f that uses the word “serious”. My best advice for “serious” searchers is to...and the rest is the usual procedure of read the book and the poem, read the poem 9 times, then read the book slowly looking for something that trips up in your mind. These are the hints that will help with the clues. I think the statement I brought up with the use of “serious” is more apt than yours.

And you fell into the same trap that Seannm always falls in when discussing my thoughts about the clues and hints. If I ask about have the clues helped anyone much, I wouldn’t just assume I’m talking about the hints in the book. I’ve made it clear on this thread that I talk about hints in the book and the poem. So whatever you’re trying to imply with not being able to find the tc with just the book and not the poem doesn’t apply to me.


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08-12-2019, 03:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-12-2019, 03:19 PM by Chris Yates.)
RE: THE HINTS- VITAL TO SUCCESS
yeah, thing is it doesn't seem to support your narrative whether its rhetorical or not

thats why im asking what your point could possibly be asking the question

it sure sounded to me like you were asking it as if the answer were obvious. in which you would be trying to make a a rhetorical point

but ok, i'll stand corrected and accept your word that it wasn't

which would then mean that you were asking as if the answer could have possibly been "yes, the clues have helped people a lot!"

well, ok then, i totally agree



also, i apologize for saying things in way that may seem more of a personal attack than a logical rebuttal

its something i have a problem with and have been tryingto work on
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