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Simplify
01-16-2018, 03:58 PM,
#11
RE: Simplify
I'm starting to wonder if the poem tells you diddly squat and the book it the route to go!
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01-16-2018, 04:05 PM,
#12
RE: Simplify
(01-16-2018, 03:58 PM)Copper Wrote: I'm starting to wonder if the poem tells you diddly squat and the book it the route to go!

Maybe, maybe!

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01-16-2018, 04:07 PM,
#13
RE: Simplify
His simplify statement has made me reconsider a lot of things. We are ALL over thinking it to death.
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01-17-2018, 06:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018, 08:20 AM by fundamental design.)
#14
RE: Simplify
(01-16-2018, 03:45 PM)FennMaster Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 03:06 PM)fundamental design Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 02:10 PM)FennMaster Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 01:56 PM)illinoisghost Wrote:
(01-15-2018, 11:31 PM)Chris Yates Wrote: you need to pick and choose your malarkey better


Everything you need can’t be in the poem otherwise this statement by f would not have been posted
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Or you just couldn't "reasonably" expect to find the treasure if you didn't know it was in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, or 9 clues in poem, etc.

No one has found it yet and everyone knows it is in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, poem has 9 clues, etc.

Imagine not knowing the poem has 9 clues ...

Or as some believe the first stanza is an introduction (contains backstory) then when that’s taken out of the equation you’re screwed.

Not knowing the poem has 9 clues doesn’t seem to me to be a big deal. Certainly many searchers figured out begin= begin. Not too hard to take a stab at cease= cease.

Yes, but knowing it is a treasure hunt may be considered part of the back story that made you look for the first clue. Also, the 9 clues is a big deal, it is a huge confirmation that you have the correct solve.

Anyway, without the back story it is just a poem. Someone could conceivably figure out that it is describing some sort of journey and that there may be treasure involved. But they still wouldn't know it was in the Rocky Mountains, so now you have, if not the entire globe, at least the entire United States to search. Virtually no chance of finding it in that large of a search area. It seems very far fetched that given those circumstances anyone would ever find the tc.

Your first paragraph doesn’t preclude there being sufficient backstory in stanza one of the poem for one person out of 20 billion people in the future to figure it out...that’s all it takes.

It also doesn’t matter that you don’t know it’s in the Rocky Mountains from outside the poem. If someone can unlock the possibility of the first stanza leading to somewhere specific in the Rocky Mountains then that’s what counts. They wouldn’t be worried about the whole globe if they unravel the possible riddle in stanza one. That is to say, if you can figure out that the poem has a riddle then that is where it all begins. Then just work the poem to figure out the solution to the riddle. The poem will show you the way.


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01-17-2018, 11:21 AM,
#15
RE: Simplify
People would not have a reasonable chance of finding it without the big hint (that it's in the Rockies north of SF). It's already very difficult; you have to solve a lot of clues (9), and each clue could be interpreted in numerous ways. It's possible, but not reasonable.
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01-17-2018, 11:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018, 11:38 AM by fundamental design.)
#16
RE: Simplify
(01-17-2018, 10:43 AM)FennMaster Wrote:
(01-17-2018, 06:58 AM)fundamental design Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 03:45 PM)FennMaster Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 03:06 PM)fundamental design Wrote:
(01-16-2018, 02:10 PM)FennMaster Wrote: Or you just couldn't "reasonably" expect to find the treasure if you didn't know it was in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, or 9 clues in poem, etc.

No one has found it yet and everyone knows it is in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe, poem has 9 clues, etc.

Imagine not knowing the poem has 9 clues ...

Or as some believe the first stanza is an introduction (contains backstory) then when that’s taken out of the equation you’re screwed.

Not knowing the poem has 9 clues doesn’t seem to me to be a big deal. Certainly many searchers figured out begin= begin. Not too hard to take a stab at cease= cease.

Yes, but knowing it is a treasure hunt may be considered part of the back story that made you look for the first clue. Also, the 9 clues is a big deal, it is a huge confirmation that you have the correct solve.

Anyway, without the back story it is just a poem. Someone could conceivably figure out that it is describing some sort of journey and that there may be treasure involved. But they still wouldn't know it was in the Rocky Mountains, so now you have, if not the entire globe, at least the entire United States to search. Virtually no chance of finding it in that large of a search area. It seems very far fetched that given those circumstances anyone would ever find the tc.

Your first paragraph doesn’t preclude there being sufficient backstory in stanza one of the poem for one person out of 20 billion people in the future to figure it out...that’s all it takes.

It also doesn’t matter that you don’t know it’s in the Rocky Mountains from outside the poem. If someone can unlock the possibility of the first stanza leading to somewhere specific in the Rocky Mountains then that’s what counts. They wouldn’t be worried about the whole globe if they unravel the possible riddle in stanza one. That is to say, if you can figure out that the poem has a riddle then that is where it all begins. Then just work the poem to figure out the solution to the riddle. The poem will show you the way.

They won't know that the first stanza's is referring to a place in the Rocky Mountains, it is too vague. Knowledge of it being in the Rocky Mountains comes first then the alleged riddle of where it begins in the Rocky Mountains. Without knowing first that it is in the Rocky Mountains, odds of finding it are almost zero.
The first stanza seems vague...that doesn’t mean that it is. Not worried about people who think the first stanza is vague. What we are talking about goes to if a person can figure out that there is a tc hidden somewhere and that it’s solvable to figure out where...we aren’t talking about people that can’t figure that out. Plenty of searchers started the hunt without knowing the tc was hidden specifically in the Rocky Mountains. You can’t change that.

A riddle in the poem could be self contained in providing enough cryptic information to solve it if you think the right things. It’s not a question of backstory or how many clues to solve the riddle. But that doesn’t mean f isn’t clever enough to envelope a possible riddle in the introduction/backstory of the poem.


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01-17-2018, 11:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018, 12:29 PM by fundamental design.)
#17
RE: Simplify
Good luck to you FennMaster and all. I will say that I’m a perfect example of what you guys are talking about. I have posted several times on the blogs that I didn’t take up the Chase when I first heard about it because f did not include any kind of boundary on how far north of Santa Fe and what mountains were not in play. So I get what you are saying about not knowing supposedly that it is in the Rocky Mountains, especially back then. I didn’t start until after f clarified that it was the Rocky Mountains.

Some will say I’m proving your point. But I’d say you’re missing something. That was me thinking on day one of me knowing about the Chase and not having any idea about the poem. Go down the road 4 years later and the problem you bring up is not a problem for me. Many searchers can come up with a specific place like a specific mountain in the Rockies that they think the first stanza points to. Not everyone can do it. But if you get some that do, and it’s provable that some have, then your theory that the poem (or specifically the first stanza) is too vague to point to the Rocky Mountains is wrong. Those searchers don’t even have to have the correct specific area because no one can prove them wrong otherwise except f and he ain’t gonna do that. We are talking about some can find a reasonable starting point from the first stanza to help point out the correct wwwh/first clue.

To me, keeping the Chase simple means working the problem and not introducing elements that complicate the problem. I don’t suspect the answers to the poem are complex. So I work the problem with what the poem provides. Knowing that it has 9 clues is not crucial to me. Solving the clues is more crucial.


They call me the Finderofthepath since the Pathfinder has already been taken. I suggested the Pathfinder jr.
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01-17-2018, 01:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018, 01:29 PM by Skipper.)
#18
RE: Simplify
(01-17-2018, 11:53 AM)fundamental design Wrote: Good luck to you FennMaster and all. I will say that I’m a perfect example of what you guys are talking about. I have posted several times on the blogs that I didn’t take up the Chase when I first heard about it because f did not include any kind of boundary on how far north of Santa Fe and what mountains were not in play. So I get what you are saying about not knowing supposedly that it is in the Rocky Mountains, especially back then. I didn’t start until after f clarified that it was the Rocky Mountains.

Some will say I’m proving your point. But I’d say you’re missing something. That was me thinking on day one of me knowing about the Chase and not having any idea about the poem. Go down the road 4 years later and the problem you bring up is not a problem for me. Many searchers can come up with a specific place like a specific mountain in the Rockies that they think the first stanza points to. Not everyone can do it. But if you get some that do, and it’s provable that some have, then your theory that the poem (or specifically the first stanza) is too vague to point to the Rocky Mountains is wrong. Those searchers don’t even have to have the correct specific area because no one can prove them wrong otherwise except f and he ain’t gonna do that. We are talking about some can find a reasonable starting point from the first stanza to help point out the correct wwwh/first clue.

To me, keeping the Chase simple means working the problem and not introducing elements that complicate the problem. I don’t suspect the answers to the poem are complex. So I work the problem with what the poem provides. Knowing that it has 9 clues is not crucial to me. Solving the clues is more crucial.
^ oh the irony. lol!
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01-17-2018, 06:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-17-2018, 06:48 PM by fundamental design.)
#19
RE: Simplify
^do tell...lol.


They call me the Finderofthepath since the Pathfinder has already been taken. I suggested the Pathfinder jr.
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01-17-2018, 07:05 PM,
#20
RE: Simplify
...Can a person unreasonably use the words in the poem and find the treasure chest?
Thank you Nope. Yep. d
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