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Inside a "mine"
01-23-2018, 01:15 PM,
#21
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 12:31 AM)Becky from WV Wrote: @JoeKing101 - You asked: "Can i ask what methods you used to determine what fabricated?" I use intelligence & common sense.

You also asked: "Do you believe there's a chance the TC could be in Idaho or Utah?" Of course there's a chance. But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT. They lead me to CO. Even if FF removed CO from the search area ... I would NOT change my solve. That's how sure I am.

Anything else?

Sorry but im not buying it. This is a prime example of conformation bias right here. You pick which quotes/info support your solve and will disregard others as being false. You say, "But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT." But if he's known to lie how do you know anything in both books or those "statements" can be trusted? Being intelligent and using common sense are great tools but without evidence, you'll never be able to tell if he was truthful or not. Like this thread, FF has stated over and over again that its not in a mine or tunnel, what common sense am I lacking if I disregard them from my solve?
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01-23-2018, 02:21 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-23-2018, 02:24 PM by thrilledtochase.)
#22
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 01:15 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 12:31 AM)Becky from WV Wrote: @JoeKing101 - You asked: "Can i ask what methods you used to determine what fabricated?" I use intelligence & common sense.

You also asked: "Do you believe there's a chance the TC could be in Idaho or Utah?" Of course there's a chance. But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT. They lead me to CO. Even if FF removed CO from the search area ... I would NOT change my solve. That's how sure I am.

Anything else?

Sorry but im not buying it. This is a prime example of conformation bias right here. You pick which quotes/info support your solve and will disregard others as being false. You say, "But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT." But if he's known to lie how do you know anything in both books or those "statements" can be trusted? Being intelligent and using common sense are great tools but without evidence, you'll never be able to tell if he was truthful or not. Like this thread, FF has stated over and over again that its not in a mine or tunnel, what common sense am I lacking if I disregard them from my solve?

It's only a mine to the lay person (sadly myself). From what I gather a top shaft of a mine is not a mine. A tunnel is not a mine. And a tunnel is not a top shaft. If Fenn came out and listed the other 100 very specific sections of mining operations as off limits my theory holds no water...Fenn has mentioned mining operations as well as demonstrated highly specialized knowledge on the subject countless times. He might have chosen to be tricky with his wording; would THAT surprise any of you?
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01-23-2018, 02:34 PM,
#23
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 02:25 PM)FennMaster Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 02:21 PM)thrilledtochase Wrote: It's only a mine to the lay person (sadly myself). From what I gather a top shaft of a mine is not a mine. A tunnel is not a mine. And a tunnel is not a top shaft. If Fenn came out and listed the other 100 very specific sections of mining operations as off limits my theory holds no water...Fenn has mentioned mining operations as well as demonstrated highly specialized knowledge on the subject countless times. He might have chosen to be tricky with his wording; would THAT surprise any of you?

thrilledtochase,

I think it's safe to say that would be considered specialized knowledge. You even use "specialized knowledge" in your post.

"No specialized knowledge is required ..."

Very very true...looking up heavy loads in the dictionary isn't specialized knowledge though
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01-23-2018, 02:58 PM,
#24
RE: Inside a "mine"
what part of its not in a mine or tunnel that cant be understood,just like its no where near the rio grande ,woud any one think that if your on the bank of rio grande is ok ,no no no,stay out of mines and caves
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01-23-2018, 03:08 PM,
#25
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 02:21 PM)thrilledtochase Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 01:15 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 12:31 AM)Becky from WV Wrote: @JoeKing101 - You asked: "Can i ask what methods you used to determine what fabricated?" I use intelligence & common sense.

You also asked: "Do you believe there's a chance the TC could be in Idaho or Utah?" Of course there's a chance. But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT. They lead me to CO. Even if FF removed CO from the search area ... I would NOT change my solve. That's how sure I am.

Anything else?

Sorry but im not buying it. This is a prime example of conformation bias right here. You pick which quotes/info support your solve and will disregard others as being false. You say, "But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT." But if he's known to lie how do you know anything in both books or those "statements" can be trusted? Being intelligent and using common sense are great tools but without evidence, you'll never be able to tell if he was truthful or not. Like this thread, FF has stated over and over again that its not in a mine or tunnel, what common sense am I lacking if I disregard them from my solve?

It's only a mine to the lay person (sadly myself). From what I gather a top shaft of a mine is not a mine. A tunnel is not a mine. And a tunnel is not a top shaft. If Fenn came out and listed the other 100 very specific sections of mining operations as off limits my theory holds no water...Fenn has mentioned mining operations as well as demonstrated highly specialized knowledge on the subject countless times. He might have chosen to be tricky with his wording; would THAT surprise any of you?

Youre trying to find wiggle room in a statement that's pretty straight forward. Maybe this will help;

-Not in a mine – (“The treasure is not hidden in a mine. A lotta these old mines are dangerous. I mean, they have snakes in ʼem, they have black widow spiders!” – CBS New Sunday Morning / July 12th, 2015)

-“The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace” – (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)

-Not in a mine, tunnel, or cave-(http://dalneitzel.com/cheat-sheet/)
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01-24-2018, 11:04 AM,
#26
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 03:08 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 02:21 PM)thrilledtochase Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 01:15 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 12:31 AM)Becky from WV Wrote: @JoeKing101 - You asked: "Can i ask what methods you used to determine what fabricated?" I use intelligence & common sense.

You also asked: "Do you believe there's a chance the TC could be in Idaho or Utah?" Of course there's a chance. But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT. They lead me to CO. Even if FF removed CO from the search area ... I would NOT change my solve. That's how sure I am.

Anything else?

Sorry but im not buying it. This is a prime example of conformation bias right here. You pick which quotes/info support your solve and will disregard others as being false. You say, "But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT." But if he's known to lie how do you know anything in both books or those "statements" can be trusted? Being intelligent and using common sense are great tools but without evidence, you'll never be able to tell if he was truthful or not. Like this thread, FF has stated over and over again that its not in a mine or tunnel, what common sense am I lacking if I disregard them from my solve?

It's only a mine to the lay person (sadly myself). From what I gather a top shaft of a mine is not a mine. A tunnel is not a mine. And a tunnel is not a top shaft. If Fenn came out and listed the other 100 very specific sections of mining operations as off limits my theory holds no water...Fenn has mentioned mining operations as well as demonstrated highly specialized knowledge on the subject countless times. He might have chosen to be tricky with his wording; would THAT surprise any of you?

Youre trying to find wiggle room in a statement that's pretty straight forward. Maybe this will help;

-Not in a mine – (“The treasure is not hidden in a mine. A lotta these old mines are dangerous. I mean, they have snakes in ʼem, they have black widow spiders!” – CBS New Sunday Morning / July 12th, 2015)

-“The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace” – (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)

-Not in a mine, tunnel, or cave-(http://dalneitzel.com/cheat-sheet/)

Nothing Fenn says is straight forward. If he says not in the Rio Grande that means small tributaries coming off the Rio Grande are still fair game. If he says not in a mine or tunnel or cave that means any part of a mining operation that is not a mine tunnel or cave is still fair game. My solve is as good as I can make it. I believe you have to double back on the poem multiple times; follow it through once to get to the state, follow it twice to get to the mine, follow it a third time into the mine and that's where the chest should be...
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01-24-2018, 06:03 PM,
#27
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-24-2018, 03:20 PM)Anna Graham Wrote: thrilled to chase

It is not in a mine, a cave or a tunnel. Early on in my chase, August 2016, I was under the misconception that it was in a cave. I held this belief because Fenn had repeatedly referred to his hiding place as a "den." I now understand the meaning of the word den. Search for the thread "help once more" by pidmt. In the thread there are multiple links to where Fenn said that it wasn't in a cave or mine. There is also a nice post by Beavertooth advising me on chase etiquette. Nobody here wants to see anyone else get hurt or die. Fenn has repeatedly said that the chest is not hidden in a dangerous place. Mines, caves and tunnels are all dangerous places. Please be careful out there.

AG, thanks for the shout out on my posting abilities! Smile

Since you claim that "Fenn repeatedly referred to his hiding place as a 'den'", could you let the rest of us know where and when that happened? Citations would be appreciated.
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01-24-2018, 07:04 PM,
#28
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-24-2018, 06:20 PM)Anna Graham Wrote: The primary example is in the Well Here's Moses vignette:

Moses now stands in my home on the second step that leads into my den, and his expression continues to telegraph a timeless message.

The Moses vignette is why I think the chest might be hidden in a vertical wall of rock because of the wood "plug" in his back (the plug representing either the chest, or something covering/hiding the chest, which is deeper in the rock).
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01-25-2018, 09:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2018, 09:22 AM by thrilledtochase.)
#29
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-24-2018, 03:20 PM)Anna Graham Wrote: thrilled to chase

It is not in a mine, a cave or a tunnel. Early on in my chase, August 2016, I was under the misconception that it was in a cave. I held this belief because Fenn had repeatedly referred to his hiding place as a "den." I now understand the meaning of the word den. Search for the thread "help once more" by pidmt. In the thread there are multiple links to where Fenn said that it wasn't in a cave or mine. There is also a nice post by Beavertooth advising me on chase etiquette. Nobody here wants to see anyone else get hurt or die. Fenn has repeatedly said that the chest is not hidden in a dangerous place. Mines, caves and tunnels are all dangerous places. Please be careful out there.

I appreciate the advice! I didn't go in because I am not knowledgeable, and that certainly is dangerous. It took a lot of willpower to discover a mine via google earth and the Fenn poem and not go in. On a side note crawling on my stomach to look into the opening from the outside was beautiful. It's a flooded mine with heavy loads outside of it, with a shallow creek and a blaze that says tarry marvel gaze lol! And I still didn't go in. I fully understand the dangers so here I am...
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01-25-2018, 10:22 AM,
#30
RE: Inside a "mine"
(01-23-2018, 03:08 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 02:21 PM)thrilledtochase Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 01:15 PM)JoeKing101 Wrote:
(01-23-2018, 12:31 AM)Becky from WV Wrote: @JoeKing101 - You asked: "Can i ask what methods you used to determine what fabricated?" I use intelligence & common sense.

You also asked: "Do you believe there's a chance the TC could be in Idaho or Utah?" Of course there's a chance. But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT. They lead me to CO. Even if FF removed CO from the search area ... I would NOT change my solve. That's how sure I am.

Anything else?

Sorry but im not buying it. This is a prime example of conformation bias right here. You pick which quotes/info support your solve and will disregard others as being false. You say, "But the hints in TTOTC, TFTW, the scrapbook entries, & FF's numerous statements do NOT lead me to ID ot UT." But if he's known to lie how do you know anything in both books or those "statements" can be trusted? Being intelligent and using common sense are great tools but without evidence, you'll never be able to tell if he was truthful or not. Like this thread, FF has stated over and over again that its not in a mine or tunnel, what common sense am I lacking if I disregard them from my solve?

It's only a mine to the lay person (sadly myself). From what I gather a top shaft of a mine is not a mine. A tunnel is not a mine. And a tunnel is not a top shaft. If Fenn came out and listed the other 100 very specific sections of mining operations as off limits my theory holds no water...Fenn has mentioned mining operations as well as demonstrated highly specialized knowledge on the subject countless times. He might have chosen to be tricky with his wording; would THAT surprise any of you?

Youre trying to find wiggle room in a statement that's pretty straight forward. Maybe this will help;

-Not in a mine – (“The treasure is not hidden in a mine. A lotta these old mines are dangerous. I mean, they have snakes in ʼem, they have black widow spiders!” – CBS New Sunday Morning / July 12th, 2015)

-“The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace” – (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)

-Not in a mine, tunnel, or cave-(http://dalneitzel.com/cheat-sheet/)

I also noticed Fenn has only mentioned mines tunnels and caves when he is asked for a clue and has done so on multiple occasions. Sneaky brilliant man lol
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